The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[riosleftsock]

Worth remembering what Putin said when he was interviewed around the time of the US inauguration;

(sic) "They will all moan and groan but soon come to heel and be wagging their tails at Trump's feet".  He was spot on, as you will see.

[dealcanvey]

Nothing we didn’t know already. Zelensky simply reiterating what he has said before.

Let’s see how Russia respond. More aggression. More bombs. 

taking a look at US stock markets Trump has more pressing priorities. 

[Eerie Decent]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
•.•
I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long- ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and
communication to be constructive.

 

 

He's obviously ignored the advice from the warmongers on WHO.

[ironsofcanada]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
•.•
I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long- ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and
communication to be constructive.

Great news.

A clear path to making a peace work. 

[Nutsin]

What’s up Tranny, cat got your tongue?

Or are you too embarrassed to admit you are stuck on stupid? 

I have provided evidence from Steele the author and the head of Hillary’s campaign clearly stating the Dossier was inaccurate and it was originated and released by Hillary Clinton yet you still won’t admit it was a hoax!

Like I said stuck on stupid!

Just like I’ve been saying all along, You’re a retard!

IOC has been running rings around you for 2 days straight, you might wanna come up with a different username now, cos Hammer I am needs to be trashed along with Capitol man. 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
•.•
I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long- ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and
communication to be constructive.

[Nutsin]

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago

Yeah, I stand by that. I’m sure you’re too ignorant to know all the facts and no matter what facts I provide you’ll stay stuck on stupid. So you’ll just have to stay ignorant.

Educate me then moonboy, show me the facts, I PROMISE if they're facts showing the dems tried to kill Trump I will stand corrected and I will in future trust what you say, unless its about flat earth of course.

“Moonboy?” Is that all you Tranny? Let me ask, Was the Russian collusion story a hoax?

[Hammer I am]

 

No Hammer I am aka Cappy, you’re the one who is stuck on Stupid.
ive also been on here a long time, I have never said the earth is flat or the Luna landings were fake. I did call the Russian collusion hoax correctly and backed it all up with facts, along with testimony under oath proving it was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?

Im still waiting for you to say something sensible!

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago

Yeah, I stand by that. I’m sure you’re too ignorant to know all the facts and no matter what facts I provide you’ll stay stuck on stupid. So you’ll just have to stay ignorant.

Educate me then moonboy, show me the facts, I PROMISE if they're facts showing the dems tried to kill Trump I will stand corrected and I will in future trust what you say, unless its about flat earth of course.

[Nutsin]

 

in you opinion? you sound so sure! It has nothing to do with Ukraine you're right, I'm just checking how far down the tin foil hatted rabbit hole you are, because if you're a AAA paranoid conspiracy theorist as I suspect ,  then it's hardly with debating you is it. anyway off you pop you little scamp, watch out for the shapeshifting lizards and don't fall off the edge!

 

No Hammer I am aka Cappy, you’re the one who is stuck on Stupid.
ive also been on here a long time, I have never said the earth is flat or the Luna landings were fake. I did call the Russian collusion hoax correctly and backed it all up with facts, along with testimony under oath proving it was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?

Im still waiting for you to say something sensible!

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago

Yeah, I stand by that. I’m sure you’re too ignorant to know all the facts and no matter what facts I provide you’ll stay stuck on stupid. So you’ll just have to stay ignorant.

[ironsofcanada]

no example or analogy if going to be identical is it though IOC, was merely pointing out it isn't as futile and impossible to fight for your homeland and win against the odds as some of you keep saying. You theorising "well they probably won't fight as hard" doesn't make the examples irrelevant.

So to your last point. no, possibly not, but that's my opinion and i might be wrong, as might you, they surprised everyone by lasting 3 years. When it all started, I remember some of you, and I wish I could remember exactly who, stating as fact that Russia would only take days to crush Ukraine and anyone was an idiot for thinking differently.

 

 

So your point was just - smaller forces beat larger forces, sometimes - is purely brilliant.  But not at all helpful.  Shall we use Thermopylae next?


 "well they probably won't fight as hard" 
Pretty digusting instance of putting words in my mouth there.  I said and I mean they want peace more. 

The worst part of their lives is the war, not what they can imagine their lives being, if they made peace. Especially at current land occupation - again that part is annectoal from personal interactions.


I expressed no opinion on how long it would last.  So your - some guy, said this...some time -  is pretty irrelevant.  Don't you think?  



But what is your general point - they have been fighting bravely - I agree - and we should prolong that?  Because they might win?  

[Hammer I am]

No lunar landings are not fake in my opinion and the earth obviously isn’t flat. What that has to do with Ikraine is beyond me. I’d have thought you’d have realized how stupid you sound by me asking if “men can have babies”

You really are too stupid to take serious.

 

in you opinion? you sound so sure! It has nothing to do with Ukraine you're right, I'm just checking how far down the tin foil hatted rabbit hole you are, because if you're a AAA paranoid conspiracy theorist as I suspect ,  then it's hardly with debating you is it. anyway off you pop you little scamp, watch out for the shapeshifting lizards and don't fall off the edge!

 

No Hammer I am aka Cappy, you’re the one who is stuck on Stupid.
ive also been on here a long time, I have never said the earth is flat or the Luna landings were fake. I did call the Russian collusion hoax correctly and backed it all up with facts, along with testimony under oath proving it was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?

Im still waiting for you to say something sensible!

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago

[Nutsin]

 

If you mean give birth to them then obviously they can't, they're fucking men. 

See easy isn't it? so...were the moon landings faked then Nuts? It's a simple yes or no

No lunar landings are not fake in my opinion and the earth obviously isn’t flat. What that has to do with Ikraine is beyond me. I’d have thought you’d have realized how stupid you sound by me asking if “men can have babies”

You really are too stupid to take serious.

 

in you opinion? you sound so sure! It has nothing to do with Ukraine you're right, I'm just checking how far down the tin foil hatted rabbit hole you are, because if you're a AAA paranoid conspiracy theorist as I suspect ,  then it's hardly with debating you is it. anyway off you pop you little scamp, watch out for the shapeshifting lizards and don't fall off the edge!

 

 

No Hammer I am aka Cappy, you’re the one who is stuck on Stupid.
ive also been on here a long time, I have never said the earth is flat or the Luna landings were fake. I did call the Russian collusion hoax correctly and backed it all up with facts, along with testimony under oath proving it was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?

Im still waiting for you to say something sensible!

[Hammer I am]

Don't reverse uno "Exactly" me, like that was your point all along.  

You brought up Vietnam to a completely different poster!

you're are a slippery one one mate I'll give you that, perhaps give Nutsin some lessons in how not to look like a moron? and if you think I'm resorting to insults, Check out his love for the word "retard", he's a menace that one!

 

Yes - exactly.


I used another poster's point to further demonstrate the historical ignorance of trying to compare the wars.

So is Vietnam a good analog for this war?  That was your point.  Or was that a pretty silly thing to try?

Do you believe the Ukrainian people - many of whom are still living decent lives, I saw my nephew's in-laws at his wedding last year for example - have the same will to keep fighting as the Vietnamese people in the '70's?

 

 

 

 

no example or analogy if going to be identical is it though IOC, was merely pointing out it isn't as futile and impossible to fight for your homeland and win against the odds as some of you keep saying. You theorising "well they probably won't fight as hard" doesn't make the examples irrelevant.

So to your last point. no, possibly not, but that's my opinion and i might be wrong, as might you, they surprised everyone by lasting 3 years. When it all started, I remember some of you, and I wish I could remember exactly who, stating as fact that Russia would only take days to crush Ukraine and anyone was an idiot for thinking differently.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Labour MP calls for talks on 'CONSCRIPTION' for 'unengaged' young people


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nding.html

[ironsofcanada]

You can see what goes on in the USA when an ex pat tells the local sfb people that his sister in the UK is worried about her 19 year old son being conscripted. The next thing is this casual and wholly misleading remark is taken by the USA gullible ( aka Trump voters ) as being what our government is considering implementing.

 

 

 

 

Speaking of gullible

Your lazy attempted history comparisons on appeasement were quite gullible.

Fancy trying to defend them?

Or have you learned that you come off the worse in discussions with someone like myself, who has a mere modicum of understanding about the subject at hand?

(PS. How would PR have helped the Russion minority in the Ukraine. Back when the Ukraine had elections. of course?)

[Nutsin]

You can see what goes on in the USA when an ex pat tells the local sfb people that his sister in the UK is worried about her 19 year old son being conscripted. The next thing is this casual and wholly misleading remark is taken by the USA gullible ( aka Trump voters ) as being what our government is considering implementing.

Coma, 
Yeah I’ll be sure to send this thread to Trump so he can mention it in tonight’s address to the nation ffs!

You’ve got to be joking? 

[Lee Trundle]

You can see what goes on in the USA when an ex pat tells the local sfb people that his sister in the UK is worried about her 19 year old son being conscripted. The next thing is this casual and wholly misleading remark is taken by the USA gullible ( aka Trump voters ) as being what our government is considering implementing.

Would you accept conscription in this county if it meant the Ukraine had more than a 0% chance of winning this war, comma?

[Hammer I am]

Cappy, humor me can men have babies!

 

If you mean give birth to them then obviously they can't, they're fucking men. 

See easy isn't it? so...were the moon landings faked then Nuts? It's a simple yes or no

No lunar landings are not fake in my opinion and the earth obviously isn’t flat. What that has to do with Ikraine is beyond me. I’d have thought you’d have realized how stupid you sound by me asking if “men can have babies”

You really are too stupid to take serious.

 

 

in you opinion? you sound so sure! It has nothing to do with Ukraine you're right, I'm just checking how far down the tin foil hatted rabbit hole you are, because if you're a AAA paranoid conspiracy theorist as I suspect ,  then it's hardly with debating you is it. anyway off you pop you little scamp, watch out for the shapeshifting lizards and don't fall off the edge!

[,]

You can see what goes on in the USA when an ex pat tells the local sfb people that his sister in the UK is worried about her 19 year old son being conscripted. The next thing is this casual and wholly misleading remark is taken by the USA gullible ( aka Trump voters ) as being what our government is considering implementing.

[ironsofcanada]

Don't reverse uno "Exactly" me, like that was your point all along.  

You brought up Vietnam to a completely different poster!

you're are a slippery one one mate I'll give you that, perhaps give Nutsin some lessons in how not to look like a moron? and if you think I'm resorting to insults, Check out his love for the word "retard", he's a menace that one!

 

 

Yes - exactly.


I used another poster's point to further demonstrate the historical ignorance of trying to compare the wars.

So is Vietnam a good analog for this war?  That was your point.  Or was that a pretty silly thing to try?

Do you believe the Ukrainian people - many of whom are still living decent lives, I saw my nephew's in-laws at his wedding last year for example - have the same will to keep fighting as the Vietnamese people in the '70's?

[Nutsin]

 

i've literally no fucking idea , maybe if you used their actual name it would help.

Humour me then Nutsin please because you have piqued my interest. Were the moon landings fake?

Cappy, humor me can men have babies!

 

If you mean give birth to them then obviously they can't, they're fucking men. 

See easy isn't it? so...were the moon landings faked then Nuts? It's a simple yes or no

No lunar landings are not fake in my opinion and the earth obviously isn’t flat. What that has to do with Ikraine is beyond me. I’d have thought you’d have realized how stupid you sound by me asking if “men can have babies”

You really are too stupid to take serious.

[Hammer I am]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Where did I say the earth is flat or the lunar landings were fake? 

Feel free to ignore my posts, not sure why you think I give a fuck about your retarded opinion.

You haven’t been right yet.

The fact that you don’t know who AOC is- is beyond ignorant and I don’t believe ou don’t know who she is. I think you are lying again Cappy!

 

i've literally no fucking idea , maybe if you used their actual name it would help.

Humour me then Nutsin please because you have piqued my interest. Were the moon landings fake?

Cappy, humor me can men have babies!

 

 

If you mean give birth to them then obviously they can't, they're fucking men. 

See easy isn't it? so...were the moon landings faked then Nuts? It's a simple yes or no

[Nutsin]

"The poltical will to stop to Russia is not same, of course.  Just throwing that out there, for comparison". 

So you agree it's not going to happen then?. You earlier spent 5 paragraphs stating why you shouldn't use vietnam as an example of how a weaker country can defeat a strong invader as it's not an identical situation, then you use Vietnam as an example of the draft happing.

Exactly

So you admit your comparison was bunk then?

Don't reverse uno "Exactly" me, like that was your point all along.  

You brought up Vietnam to a completely different poster!

you're are a slippery one one mate I'll give you that, perhaps give Nutsin some lessons in how not to look like a moron? and if you think I'm resorting to insults, Check out his love for the word "retard", he's a menace that one!

He’s not slippery, it’s just you’re a retard!

[Nutsin]

 

Nutsin you loon, I know you love your conspiracy theories but I'm not Capital, or Pickle, or whoever AOC is, you can have a forth shot if you like but you're wasting your time. I've been on here for longer than you seem to think

I'm not answering your wall of unhinged ranting as you made clear yesterday you think the moon landings were fake and the world is flat. if you can confirm neither of these are the case then I'm happy to discuss your points, if not then I'd rather not waste my time thanks

I have no idea what you are talking about. Where did I say the earth is flat or the lunar landings were fake? 

Feel free to ignore my posts, not sure why you think I give a fuck about your retarded opinion.

You haven’t been right yet.

The fact that you don’t know who AOC is- is beyond ignorant and I don’t believe ou don’t know who she is. I think you are lying again Cappy!

 

i've literally no fucking idea , maybe if you used their actual name it would help.

Humour me then Nutsin please because you have piqued my interest. Were the moon landings fake?

Cappy, humor me can men have babies!

[Hammer I am]

"The poltical will to stop to Russia is not same, of course.  Just throwing that out there, for comparison". 

So you agree it's not going to happen then?. You earlier spent 5 paragraphs stating why you shouldn't use vietnam as an example of how a weaker country can defeat a strong invader as it's not an identical situation, then you use Vietnam as an example of the draft happing.

Exactly

So you admit your comparison was bunk then?

Don't reverse uno "Exactly" me, like that was your point all along.  

You brought up Vietnam to a completely different poster!

you're are a slippery one one mate I'll give you that, perhaps give Nutsin some lessons in how not to look like a moron? and if you think I'm resorting to insults, Check out his love for the word "retard", he's a menace that one!