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[Come On You Irons]

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[ironsofcanada]

I must say, IOC and Nutsin would make a great Ren & Stimpy tribute act

Zelensky just told you what I have been telling you for a couple days.

Do you see my soul now?  

Edit: To be fair I have never seen Ren & Stimpy, what does a tribute act for a cartoon entail?

[Hammer I am]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
•.•
I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long- ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and
communication to be constructive.

 

He's obviously ignored the advice from the warmongers on WHO.

Kind of cute you can't read between the lines on that one.

[Hammer I am]

I must say, IOC and Nutsin would make a great Ren & Stimpy tribute act

[Hammer I am]

What’s up Tranny, cat got your tongue?

Or are you too embarrassed to admit you are stuck on stupid? 

I have provided evidence from Steele the author and the head of Hillary’s campaign clearly stating the Dossier was inaccurate and it was originated and released by Hillary Clinton yet you still won’t admit it was a hoax!

Like I said stuck on stupid!

Just like I’ve been saying all along, You’re a retard!

IOC has been running rings around you for 2 days straight, you might wanna come up with a different username now, cos Hammer I am needs to be trashed along with Capitol man. 

hahaha, you silly tart, I asked you first, Mr Whatabout. I'm still waiting for the proof you say you have in the form of your democrat assassination plot, once you provide that i'll be happy to move on to Russia collusion, or the moon landings, or whatever it is on your aluminium clad cranium right now

[ironsofcanada]

Whilst I did not closely follow Trump’s words about Ukraine before he took office I must admit that his bullying of Zelenskyy into an unconditional surrender has taken me by surprise.

I get the impression that he has taken the Russians by surprise too by exceeding their expectations.

But what about that appeasement comparison comma?

[,]

Whilst I did not closely follow Trump’s words about Ukraine before he took office I must admit that his bullying of Zelenskyy into an unconditional surrender has taken me by surprise.

I get the impression that he has taken the Russians by surprise too by exceeding their expectations.

[WHU(Exeter)]

"do want to discuss that at length because I have a very vest interested"?

Are you Tynan in disguise?

[ironsofcanada]

Don't be disingenuous, he's not a miracle worker, but he'll sort it, sadly for you.

Imagine if that soppy bird and her 94 year old deranged adopted grandad were still in charge.

Tulsi Gabbard impressed me when she ran against Biden for the Democratic nomination. It would have been a tough choice (not that I have ever been able to vote in the States)  assuming she could have tamped down the general Democrat ridiculousness on other issues.


But my point, in foreign relations, I agree about Harris.  What a literal international disaster  it would have been to have her giggling and word-salading with Zelensky or much worse Putin.

Or Biden...

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Let’s not go by posters on a football forum. Let’s go by what Trump has said himself. This was meant to be over on 21st January. 

 

 

Find the quote where he said he’d have it done on Inauguration Day then.

Funny how the people that have been critical against a peace deal, think they have legitimate criticism of Trump for not doing it fast enough.

[ironsofcanada]

Let’s see how Russia respond.

 

 

You first statement is incorrect.

I have never  see Zelensky say: "We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees." before. 
In fact, he has said before that the mineral deal lacked "concrete steps on security guarantees," 

"Let’s see how Russia respond."

This is true, ridiculously basically so, and has always been so. Any which way you go for peace, Russia needs to "respond" in some positive way or there is no peace.  (I guess unless you battle to Moscow, change the government and force them.)

The likelihood of them continuing "More aggression. More bombs." goes down dramatically with the increase of US interests in the area.  Essentially like Zelensky is saying.


The stock markets are about a trade war, do want to discuss that at length because I have a very vest interested?

[Eerie Decent]

Don't be disingenuous, he's not a miracle worker, but he'll sort it, sadly for you.

Imagine if that soppy bird and her 94 year old deranged adopted grandad were still in charge.

[dealcanvey]

Let’s not go by posters on a football forum. Let’s go by what Trump has said himself. This was meant to be over on 21st January. 

[Eerie Decent]

It's what some posters on here have been saying was going to happen, essentially. Trump will sort it out eventually.

Unfortunately you war mongers aren't going to get your way, and the needless killing will stop. You'll have to get your death fix elsewhere.

[dealcanvey]

Worth remembering what Putin said when he was interviewed around the time of the US inauguration;

(sic) "They will all moan and groan but soon come to heel and be wagging their tails at Trump's feet".  He was spot on, as you will see.

Pretty much sums up half the posters on here. 

[riosleftsock]

Worth remembering what Putin said when he was interviewed around the time of the US inauguration;

(sic) "They will all moan and groan but soon come to heel and be wagging their tails at Trump's feet".  He was spot on, as you will see.

[dealcanvey]

Nothing we didn’t know already. Zelensky simply reiterating what he has said before.

Let’s see how Russia respond. More aggression. More bombs. 

taking a look at US stock markets Trump has more pressing priorities. 

[Eerie Decent]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
•.•
I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long- ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and
communication to be constructive.

 

 

He's obviously ignored the advice from the warmongers on WHO.

[ironsofcanada]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
•.•
I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long- ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and
communication to be constructive.

Great news.

A clear path to making a peace work. 

[Nutsin]

What’s up Tranny, cat got your tongue?

Or are you too embarrassed to admit you are stuck on stupid? 

I have provided evidence from Steele the author and the head of Hillary’s campaign clearly stating the Dossier was inaccurate and it was originated and released by Hillary Clinton yet you still won’t admit it was a hoax!

Like I said stuck on stupid!

Just like I’ve been saying all along, You’re a retard!

IOC has been running rings around you for 2 days straight, you might wanna come up with a different username now, cos Hammer I am needs to be trashed along with Capitol man. 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
•.•
I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long- ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and
communication to be constructive.

[Nutsin]

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago

Yeah, I stand by that. I’m sure you’re too ignorant to know all the facts and no matter what facts I provide you’ll stay stuck on stupid. So you’ll just have to stay ignorant.

Educate me then moonboy, show me the facts, I PROMISE if they're facts showing the dems tried to kill Trump I will stand corrected and I will in future trust what you say, unless its about flat earth of course.

“Moonboy?” Is that all you Tranny? Let me ask, Was the Russian collusion story a hoax?

[Hammer I am]

 

No Hammer I am aka Cappy, you’re the one who is stuck on Stupid.
ive also been on here a long time, I have never said the earth is flat or the Luna landings were fake. I did call the Russian collusion hoax correctly and backed it all up with facts, along with testimony under oath proving it was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?

Im still waiting for you to say something sensible!

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago

Yeah, I stand by that. I’m sure you’re too ignorant to know all the facts and no matter what facts I provide you’ll stay stuck on stupid. So you’ll just have to stay ignorant.

Educate me then moonboy, show me the facts, I PROMISE if they're facts showing the dems tried to kill Trump I will stand corrected and I will in future trust what you say, unless its about flat earth of course.

[Nutsin]

 

in you opinion? you sound so sure! It has nothing to do with Ukraine you're right, I'm just checking how far down the tin foil hatted rabbit hole you are, because if you're a AAA paranoid conspiracy theorist as I suspect ,  then it's hardly with debating you is it. anyway off you pop you little scamp, watch out for the shapeshifting lizards and don't fall off the edge!

 

No Hammer I am aka Cappy, you’re the one who is stuck on Stupid.
ive also been on here a long time, I have never said the earth is flat or the Luna landings were fake. I did call the Russian collusion hoax correctly and backed it all up with facts, along with testimony under oath proving it was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?

Im still waiting for you to say something sensible!

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago

Yeah, I stand by that. I’m sure you’re too ignorant to know all the facts and no matter what facts I provide you’ll stay stuck on stupid. So you’ll just have to stay ignorant.

[ironsofcanada]

no example or analogy if going to be identical is it though IOC, was merely pointing out it isn't as futile and impossible to fight for your homeland and win against the odds as some of you keep saying. You theorising "well they probably won't fight as hard" doesn't make the examples irrelevant.

So to your last point. no, possibly not, but that's my opinion and i might be wrong, as might you, they surprised everyone by lasting 3 years. When it all started, I remember some of you, and I wish I could remember exactly who, stating as fact that Russia would only take days to crush Ukraine and anyone was an idiot for thinking differently.

 

 

So your point was just - smaller forces beat larger forces, sometimes - is purely brilliant.  But not at all helpful.  Shall we use Thermopylae next?


 "well they probably won't fight as hard" 
Pretty digusting instance of putting words in my mouth there.  I said and I mean they want peace more. 

The worst part of their lives is the war, not what they can imagine their lives being, if they made peace. Especially at current land occupation - again that part is annectoal from personal interactions.


I expressed no opinion on how long it would last.  So your - some guy, said this...some time -  is pretty irrelevant.  Don't you think?  



But what is your general point - they have been fighting bravely - I agree - and we should prolong that?  Because they might win?  

[Hammer I am]

No lunar landings are not fake in my opinion and the earth obviously isn’t flat. What that has to do with Ikraine is beyond me. I’d have thought you’d have realized how stupid you sound by me asking if “men can have babies”

You really are too stupid to take serious.

 

in you opinion? you sound so sure! It has nothing to do with Ukraine you're right, I'm just checking how far down the tin foil hatted rabbit hole you are, because if you're a AAA paranoid conspiracy theorist as I suspect ,  then it's hardly with debating you is it. anyway off you pop you little scamp, watch out for the shapeshifting lizards and don't fall off the edge!

 

No Hammer I am aka Cappy, you’re the one who is stuck on Stupid.
ive also been on here a long time, I have never said the earth is flat or the Luna landings were fake. I did call the Russian collusion hoax correctly and backed it all up with facts, along with testimony under oath proving it was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?

Im still waiting for you to say something sensible!

"So tell me what other conspiracy theories have I spouted on here that haven’t been proven as conspiracy fact?"

Nutsin, Nutsin Nutsin, you do yourself no favours, lets start with your confident statement the Democratic Party arranged two hits on Donald Trump like literally days ago