Is West Ham a bigger club than Newcastle United?

[Leonard Hatred]

Talk to me 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Yes.  2000 Newcastle supporters in eden park in 2014 .30 000 whufc supporters . A successful west ham United would slaughter Newcastle united. . all ends up if run properly.

 reminds me of the two clubs  respective turn- outs in PALERMO..

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

You know when you’re a big club when fans of minor clubs come on Boards such as WHO to belittle us.

Very droll..

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Population of Northumberland is 324,362
Population of London Borough of Newham 387,576

If you want a more accurate reflection of size. 

Those are  sobering figures CS ...

[Pshyco scored all 4]

Yes.  2000 Newcastle supporters in eden park in 2014 .30 000 whufc supporters . A successful west ham United would slaughter Newcastle united. . all ends up if run properly.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Talk to me 

West Ham UNITED if you please my yorkie bar friend

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

EQUEL STANDING.
over my lifetime ...they've been largely dogshit ..just like us.
but we've won THREE FA CUPS AND A EUROPEAN TROPHY  IN THAT TIME.
THEY HAVE A LEAGUE CUP  FROM A FEW WEEKS BACK.
The Geordies have won jack shit to justify their over inflated image of themselves.
All their glory days are ancient pre war .
Other deluded   clubs..
Wolverhampton Wanderers 
West Bromwich Albion
Huddersfield town
Aston fookin villa
Blackburn rovers
Bolton Wanderers
Preston north end.


Wolves fans still regard themselves as a bigger club than us  



 the mackems are a far  bigger club than the geordies if you want to play the ancient history game.



 

[Alfs]

 

Why do you keep asking the same question with the same answer, you utter spastic.

That's a bit harsh on spastics, goose.

[El Scorchio]

BBC getting involved with who is the biggest club.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 37xrmr5keo

In most of the metrics they used we are in the top ten, and it's obvious that at the 11th hour whoever compiled that looked and then looked at the Premier League table and went 'hmmm, no we can't have that. I'll just replace them with... (whichever from Villa or Newcastle wasn't previously on the list)'
Basically did all the empirical research and looked at the results, then just wrote what they thought they should write before doing any of the research.

It's a silly sort of clickbait list totally off some junior writer's opinion that pleases no-one except Man U, who are just arbitrarily shoved at the top. BBC should be better than this and leave this stuff to Ladbible, but they really aren't.

[goose]

BBC getting involved with who is the biggest club.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 37xrmr5keo

How can Spurs have double the revenue when we have a similar capacity?

Why do you keep asking the same question with the same answer, you utter spastic.

[Ladysmith]

BBC getting involved with who is the biggest club.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 37xrmr5keo

How can Spurs have double the revenue when we have a similar capacity?

[ragingbull]

BBC getting involved with who is the biggest club.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 37xrmr5keo

[Manuel]

That was added sometime fairly recently. Not sure who funded it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5093533 ... FQAw%3D%3D

 

 

Interesting ☝

[Pub Bigot]

This is the site of the Thames Ironworks near to Trinity Buoy Wharf:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5093749 ... FQAw%3D%3D

Loads of developments going on around there, it'd be nice if the club got involved and made a feature of it somehow.

Nice one, mate. Next time I’m home I’m going to have a walk around there. Only 10 minutes up the road from my parents. 

[Mad Ferret]

That was added sometime fairly recently. Not sure who funded it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5093533 ... FQAw%3D%3D

[Manuel]

This is the site of the Thames Ironworks near to Trinity Buoy Wharf:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5093749 ... FQAw%3D%3D

Loads of developments going on around there, it'd be nice if the club got involved and made a feature of it somehow.

Interesting that. They closed down in 1912 but their name is still up in lights to this day?

[Mad Ferret]

This is the site of the Thames Ironworks near to Trinity Buoy Wharf:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5093749 ... FQAw%3D%3D

Loads of developments going on around there, it'd be nice if the club got involved and made a feature of it somehow.

[Pub Bigot]

Not sure about that one, Bigot.

But either way, there’d be no WHU without the Thames Ironworks.

That is true. Seems to stem around the legal documentation, as the two entities are separate businesses, as West Ham United was setup as a newco in place of Thames Ironworks. 

Everything else was continued, including taking on the league place and the fixture schedule for the Ironworks team.

So aside from the newco paperwork, West Ham United is a continuation of the Thames Ironworks and an East End club.

I was under the impression the club and all its documents were signed in the east side of the River Lea. Glad to be wrong. 

[Mad Ferret]

Not sure about that one, Bigot.

But either way, there’d be no WHU without the Thames Ironworks.

[Pub Bigot]

Much like Spurs and Brentford being a Middlesex clubs pre-1965, and Palace being Surrey.

All were always considered to be London clubs.

You might be right. I got GPT to do a deep dive for me and this is what it responded with;

Identity in West Ham, Leyton, and Stratford Before 1965
Before the 1965 London boundary changes (establishment of Greater London), areas like West Ham, Leyton, and Stratford sat just outside the old County of London. They were officially part of Essex, yet closely tied to London’s East End in culture and daily life. Residents navigated a dual identity: administratively Essex, but socially and economically very much East Londoners. Below we explore how local government status, everyday language, football culture, and working-class community life influenced their sense of identity, and how this shifted around 1965.

Administrative Boundaries: Essex Roots, London Fringe
For centuries these districts belonged to Essex. West Ham (including Stratford and surrounding districts) was an Essexparish and later a County Borough within Essex. Leyton similarly was part of the ancient County of Essex and became a municipal borough in 1926. The River Lea marked the historic boundary between London and Essex – “between 1889 and 1965, the lower Lea was the eastern boundary of the County of London with Essex.”Despite being outside the County of London, these areas were urbanized and contiguous with the London metropolis. By the late 19th century, West Ham’s population boomed as it became part of London’s continuous built-up area. A 1920s description even counted Canning Town and Silvertown (in West Ham) as part of “Greater London,” acknowledging that these Essex districts were considered part of London’s East End. In short, administratively they were Essex, but functionally they were “metropolitan Essex,” integrated with London’s growth.

Local Terminology in Addresses and Newspapers
In everyday usage and the media, identity could tilt either way depending on context. Official documents and local newspapers often used the Essex designation. For example, a 1917 report on the Silvertown explosion located it in "Silvertown in West Ham, Essex (now part of Newham)."At the same time, postal addresses and public services treated these districts as part of London. West Ham and Leyton were included in the “London” postal districts (the E postcodes) well before 1965. Similarly, double-decker London buses served these areas. Victorians and Edwardians commonly appended "London" to addresses across the whole built-up area, even beyond the official county line.

Football Culture: East London Pride vs Essex Heritage
Local football clubs played a big role in shaping popular identity. West Ham United, founded in 1895 as Thames Ironworks FC in the Essex county borough of West Ham, has long billed itself as an East London club. The club’s history notes its Essex origins but emphasizes that “since 1965 the area has been part of [the] London Borough of Newham.” Fans and the press often call West Ham “the East London club,” highlighting its East End roots and Cockney supporter base.Leyton Orient provides a similar example. The club’s very name Orient was reportedly chosen to give it an East identity(“orient” meaning east) when it was based in Clapton. Orient started in Clapton (just inside the London boundary) but moved to Leyton (Essex) in 1937. Fans and local media have long seen Orient as an East London team, participating in East London derbies with West Ham.

Working-Class East End Culture and Community
The populations of West Ham, Stratford, Canning Town, Leyton, and surrounding districts were overwhelmingly working-class, with many employed in docks, railways, factories, and other industries of London’s East End. They shared in the Cockney culture – accents, slang, and a proud, tight-knit community ethos associated with the East End of London. Sociologically, these folks were often viewed (and viewed themselves) as “East Enders,” indistinguishable from those just across the Lea in places like Bow or Poplar.Even though a purist might say the “East End” traditionally stopped at the county line (the River Lea), in practice the East End’s spirit spilled over.

Identity Shifts Around the 1965 Boundary Changes
By the early 1960s, it was clear that the old boundaries no longer matched reality. The London Government Act 1963merged West Ham and East Ham to form the London Borough of Newham (from 1965) and merged Leyton with Walthamstow and Chingford to form London Borough of Waltham Forest. In the lead-up, local opinions did surface. Some in outer Essex (e.g. in Romford or Ilford) were hesitant to become “Londoners” and lose their Essex status. In West Ham and Stratford, however, incorporation into Greater London likely validated an identity people already felt.After 1965, administrative and postal identities aligned with cultural ones. Addresses changed from, say, “Stratford, Essex” to “Stratford, London E15”. The use of “Essex” for these areas faded over time. Today, a West Ham supporter from Stratford might only recall their Essex heritage as a historical footnote, if at all, while proudly calling themselves an East Londoner.

Summary
Before 1965, people in West Ham, Leyton, Stratford, and similar districts balanced Essex roots with East London identity. On paper they were Essex residents, governed by Essex institutions, and proudly supporting county endeavors like the Essex regiment or Essex county cricket. In daily life they were also East Londoners/East Enders, part of London’s urban tapestry in accent, work, and play. Local government labels and newspaper datelines said "Essex," but the buses, postal addresses, and football rivalries said "London."As the boundary changes approached, the identity tilt was already toward London. The reforms of 1965 simply acknowledged what residents felt: that they were Londoners by community and lifestyle.

Our club were founded by Thames Ironworks in Trinity Buoy Wharf which is the old East End (west of the River Lea).

Fair enough. Nigel Kahn, who I enjoy listening to separately from that Claret and Booze prick believes that TIW and West Ham are two separate entities because the TIW club disbanded. 

[Mad Ferret]

Much like Spurs and Brentford being a Middlesex clubs pre-1965, and Palace being Surrey.

All were always considered to be London clubs.

You might be right. I got GPT to do a deep dive for me and this is what it responded with;

Identity in West Ham, Leyton, and Stratford Before 1965
Before the 1965 London boundary changes (establishment of Greater London), areas like West Ham, Leyton, and Stratford sat just outside the old County of London. They were officially part of Essex, yet closely tied to London’s East End in culture and daily life. Residents navigated a dual identity: administratively Essex, but socially and economically very much East Londoners. Below we explore how local government status, everyday language, football culture, and working-class community life influenced their sense of identity, and how this shifted around 1965.

Administrative Boundaries: Essex Roots, London Fringe
For centuries these districts belonged to Essex. West Ham (including Stratford and surrounding districts) was an Essexparish and later a County Borough within Essex. Leyton similarly was part of the ancient County of Essex and became a municipal borough in 1926. The River Lea marked the historic boundary between London and Essex – “between 1889 and 1965, the lower Lea was the eastern boundary of the County of London with Essex.”Despite being outside the County of London, these areas were urbanized and contiguous with the London metropolis. By the late 19th century, West Ham’s population boomed as it became part of London’s continuous built-up area. A 1920s description even counted Canning Town and Silvertown (in West Ham) as part of “Greater London,” acknowledging that these Essex districts were considered part of London’s East End. In short, administratively they were Essex, but functionally they were “metropolitan Essex,” integrated with London’s growth.

Local Terminology in Addresses and Newspapers
In everyday usage and the media, identity could tilt either way depending on context. Official documents and local newspapers often used the Essex designation. For example, a 1917 report on the Silvertown explosion located it in "Silvertown in West Ham, Essex (now part of Newham)."At the same time, postal addresses and public services treated these districts as part of London. West Ham and Leyton were included in the “London” postal districts (the E postcodes) well before 1965. Similarly, double-decker London buses served these areas. Victorians and Edwardians commonly appended "London" to addresses across the whole built-up area, even beyond the official county line.

Football Culture: East London Pride vs Essex Heritage
Local football clubs played a big role in shaping popular identity. West Ham United, founded in 1895 as Thames Ironworks FC in the Essex county borough of West Ham, has long billed itself as an East London club. The club’s history notes its Essex origins but emphasizes that “since 1965 the area has been part of [the] London Borough of Newham.” Fans and the press often call West Ham “the East London club,” highlighting its East End roots and Cockney supporter base.Leyton Orient provides a similar example. The club’s very name Orient was reportedly chosen to give it an East identity(“orient” meaning east) when it was based in Clapton. Orient started in Clapton (just inside the London boundary) but moved to Leyton (Essex) in 1937. Fans and local media have long seen Orient as an East London team, participating in East London derbies with West Ham.

Working-Class East End Culture and Community
The populations of West Ham, Stratford, Canning Town, Leyton, and surrounding districts were overwhelmingly working-class, with many employed in docks, railways, factories, and other industries of London’s East End. They shared in the Cockney culture – accents, slang, and a proud, tight-knit community ethos associated with the East End of London. Sociologically, these folks were often viewed (and viewed themselves) as “East Enders,” indistinguishable from those just across the Lea in places like Bow or Poplar.Even though a purist might say the “East End” traditionally stopped at the county line (the River Lea), in practice the East End’s spirit spilled over.

Identity Shifts Around the 1965 Boundary Changes
By the early 1960s, it was clear that the old boundaries no longer matched reality. The London Government Act 1963merged West Ham and East Ham to form the London Borough of Newham (from 1965) and merged Leyton with Walthamstow and Chingford to form London Borough of Waltham Forest. In the lead-up, local opinions did surface. Some in outer Essex (e.g. in Romford or Ilford) were hesitant to become “Londoners” and lose their Essex status. In West Ham and Stratford, however, incorporation into Greater London likely validated an identity people already felt.After 1965, administrative and postal identities aligned with cultural ones. Addresses changed from, say, “Stratford, Essex” to “Stratford, London E15”. The use of “Essex” for these areas faded over time. Today, a West Ham supporter from Stratford might only recall their Essex heritage as a historical footnote, if at all, while proudly calling themselves an East Londoner.

Summary
Before 1965, people in West Ham, Leyton, Stratford, and similar districts balanced Essex roots with East London identity. On paper they were Essex residents, governed by Essex institutions, and proudly supporting county endeavors like the Essex regiment or Essex county cricket. In daily life they were also East Londoners/East Enders, part of London’s urban tapestry in accent, work, and play. Local government labels and newspaper datelines said "Essex," but the buses, postal addresses, and football rivalries said "London."As the boundary changes approached, the identity tilt was already toward London. The reforms of 1965 simply acknowledged what residents felt: that they were Londoners by community and lifestyle.

Our club were founded by Thames Ironworks in Trinity Buoy Wharf which is the old East End (west of the River Lea).

Correct.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

It's taller but not as fat.

[Steady]

 

Much like Spurs and Brentford being a Middlesex clubs pre-1965, and Palace being Surrey.

All were always considered to be London clubs.

You might be right. I got GPT to do a deep dive for me and this is what it responded with;

Identity in West Ham, Leyton, and Stratford Before 1965
Before the 1965 London boundary changes (establishment of Greater London), areas like West Ham, Leyton, and Stratford sat just outside the old County of London. They were officially part of Essex, yet closely tied to London’s East End in culture and daily life. Residents navigated a dual identity: administratively Essex, but socially and economically very much East Londoners. Below we explore how local government status, everyday language, football culture, and working-class community life influenced their sense of identity, and how this shifted around 1965.

Administrative Boundaries: Essex Roots, London Fringe
For centuries these districts belonged to Essex. West Ham (including Stratford and surrounding districts) was an Essexparish and later a County Borough within Essex. Leyton similarly was part of the ancient County of Essex and became a municipal borough in 1926. The River Lea marked the historic boundary between London and Essex – “between 1889 and 1965, the lower Lea was the eastern boundary of the County of London with Essex.”Despite being outside the County of London, these areas were urbanized and contiguous with the London metropolis. By the late 19th century, West Ham’s population boomed as it became part of London’s continuous built-up area. A 1920s description even counted Canning Town and Silvertown (in West Ham) as part of “Greater London,” acknowledging that these Essex districts were considered part of London’s East End. In short, administratively they were Essex, but functionally they were “metropolitan Essex,” integrated with London’s growth.

Local Terminology in Addresses and Newspapers
In everyday usage and the media, identity could tilt either way depending on context. Official documents and local newspapers often used the Essex designation. For example, a 1917 report on the Silvertown explosion located it in "Silvertown in West Ham, Essex (now part of Newham)."At the same time, postal addresses and public services treated these districts as part of London. West Ham and Leyton were included in the “London” postal districts (the E postcodes) well before 1965. Similarly, double-decker London buses served these areas. Victorians and Edwardians commonly appended "London" to addresses across the whole built-up area, even beyond the official county line.

Football Culture: East London Pride vs Essex Heritage
Local football clubs played a big role in shaping popular identity. West Ham United, founded in 1895 as Thames Ironworks FC in the Essex county borough of West Ham, has long billed itself as an East London club. The club’s history notes its Essex origins but emphasizes that “since 1965 the area has been part of [the] London Borough of Newham.” Fans and the press often call West Ham “the East London club,” highlighting its East End roots and Cockney supporter base.Leyton Orient provides a similar example. The club’s very name Orient was reportedly chosen to give it an East identity(“orient” meaning east) when it was based in Clapton. Orient started in Clapton (just inside the London boundary) but moved to Leyton (Essex) in 1937. Fans and local media have long seen Orient as an East London team, participating in East London derbies with West Ham.

Working-Class East End Culture and Community
The populations of West Ham, Stratford, Canning Town, Leyton, and surrounding districts were overwhelmingly working-class, with many employed in docks, railways, factories, and other industries of London’s East End. They shared in the Cockney culture – accents, slang, and a proud, tight-knit community ethos associated with the East End of London. Sociologically, these folks were often viewed (and viewed themselves) as “East Enders,” indistinguishable from those just across the Lea in places like Bow or Poplar.Even though a purist might say the “East End” traditionally stopped at the county line (the River Lea), in practice the East End’s spirit spilled over.

Identity Shifts Around the 1965 Boundary Changes
By the early 1960s, it was clear that the old boundaries no longer matched reality. The London Government Act 1963merged West Ham and East Ham to form the London Borough of Newham (from 1965) and merged Leyton with Walthamstow and Chingford to form London Borough of Waltham Forest. In the lead-up, local opinions did surface. Some in outer Essex (e.g. in Romford or Ilford) were hesitant to become “Londoners” and lose their Essex status. In West Ham and Stratford, however, incorporation into Greater London likely validated an identity people already felt.After 1965, administrative and postal identities aligned with cultural ones. Addresses changed from, say, “Stratford, Essex” to “Stratford, London E15”. The use of “Essex” for these areas faded over time. Today, a West Ham supporter from Stratford might only recall their Essex heritage as a historical footnote, if at all, while proudly calling themselves an East Londoner.

Summary
Before 1965, people in West Ham, Leyton, Stratford, and similar districts balanced Essex roots with East London identity. On paper they were Essex residents, governed by Essex institutions, and proudly supporting county endeavors like the Essex regiment or Essex county cricket. In daily life they were also East Londoners/East Enders, part of London’s urban tapestry in accent, work, and play. Local government labels and newspaper datelines said "Essex," but the buses, postal addresses, and football rivalries said "London."As the boundary changes approached, the identity tilt was already toward London. The reforms of 1965 simply acknowledged what residents felt: that they were Londoners by community and lifestyle.

Our club were founded by Thames Ironworks in Trinity Buoy Wharf which is the old East End (west of the River Lea).

[Gank]

None of our fans ever punched a horse on camera at a match, so Newcastle are bigger.

[chim chim cha boo]

Of course Newcastle are bigger than us, they are a one club city. SJP is visible for MILES around, situated on a hill. I can't even think of an equivalent, Arsenal's new stadium in Trafalgar Square?

As many have said before me, who gives a shit?

[Gaffer58]

If you could get each supporter to name their club then West Ham are bigger the Newcastle, mainly due to the populations of each area.