The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Massive Attack]

Well when you halt further mass arrivals and deal with migration already here within the Country, what you then do is focus on educating them the right way in our schools (not the brainwashing bile currently taught), to appreciate what this Country has afforded them and to give them the skills (like the English language) to then hopefully leads to full time work as a valued member of society. Again, that'll need sensible planning and funding but it's not impossible if managed right and certainly a damn sight better spending the resources that are currently wasted on housing illegal migrants etc.

We've got to now give the current migration a chance to integrate and feel more at part of society and appreciate what they have whilst respecting the Countries values. It won't be a quick turn around, it will probably take a generation to settle it down.

What we don't do is continue to allow endless more arrivals where everything breaks down completely. It does need drastic action to bring the net migration right down to give us a chance. Got to at least try and make the best of it from that point on..

[goose]

Again, completely agree with you on foreign criminals. Something like 16% of prison inmates are not british citizens, which is even more critical now given that we will run out of adult male prison spaces before the end of the year.

it's fucking mental that we are unable to deport them to their 'own' country.

I also agree with you on the numbers being unsustainable financially and in terms of infrstructure.
we are told there is a housing crisis and yet we willingly grow population every year.

my point is more about the social fabric of society, that has changed beyond repair.
if they wanted to, they could fix them numbers (it wouldn't be easy) but they cannot fix the erosion of british 'culture'.

[Massive Attack]

Goose

So like you rightly say, start by getting rid of the illegal economic migrants, as well as the known  terrorists and get back to only allowing in legal migration including genuine asylum seekers involving women and children. And that may only be achieved once we leave the ECHR. 

As for established migrants, it's not about telling/making them leave, other than possibly exploring sending foreign criminals back to their original countries if deals can be struck with their returning Countries. That will also help ease the prison services currently at breaking point where prison guards are regularly attacked now. 

The rate we are continuing to travel in is almost north of three quarters of a million net migrants a year. It's totally unsustainable and needs radical reform to reverse that trend and that can be achieved under the right leadership. If we don't, then our way of life will rapidly decrease further until we see regular civil unrest which feels like it's already around the corner from happening. Last summer was a real eye opener as to what may come if we don't address it soon and it could well happen with alaing regularity. We have to try and all the other Parties failed in their previous so-called attempts.

[goose]

So as I've got some time to kill awaiting to see my old man in hospital after his latest round of treatments, I thought I'd get on my WHO soap box for 10 minutes about the state of our immigration system that's been allowed to get way out of hand..

The world orders obsession with diversity and effectively encouraging mass migration has been nothing but a total fucking disaster where everyone loses. The experiment predictably hasn't worked and instead in a lot of situations it's actually caused division, not assimilation.

It's important to say it hasn't always been the case and there has been a level of success with integration at a more sustainable rate when it's done right, but that is a long time ago now. Indeed when watching how my father has generally been treated in the NHS it's usually done with care but they are immigrants that are hard working, respectful and actually able to communicate with ease. Not to mention those with medical expertise that's valued and appreciated. The type of immigration that proves it can work. They are not the one's who just want to take from the State, abuse our women and children, or plot the next terrorist attacks - An Iranian asylum seeking boatman who was housed at the tax payers expense being the latest plot attempt thwarted by MI5. Really couldn't make this shit up. 

When the migration numbers were manageable in this Country down to the ten's of thousands back in the 90's, it wasn't half as bad as now and people integrated at a more realistic, organic rate. Since Blair though and the weak limp wristed Conservatives that followed him, they have all conspired to manufacture widespread silo's. Where people don't go for fear of being mugged, attacked or generally feel alien in their own Country when they struggle to even hear their own language spoken when walking through certain places across the UK.

And then dopey do-gooding Politicians wonder how on earth a national scandal such as the industrial levels of disgusting grooming gangs materialised, or why we now have pockets of terror cells occasionally trying to blow us up whenever they next see an opportunity arise. Or the fact there's now hundreds of repatriated ISIS fighters who have to be constantly surveillanced since joining more recent wars in the middle east. That's how ridiculous it has all got. 

And it's all come to a head with the most recent mass illegal migration where we even house and pay for scores of predominantly young men who don't really give a fuck about our Country, only what they can take from it at astromincal expense. Our weak Politicians bend over backwards to facilitate their stay, instead of having the bollocks to say no, enough is enough, on you fuck.

We stupidly agreed to give France a fuck load of money to seriously combat the issue of which they had no intention of addressing, because they were still salty about Brexit. It was just a cunty opportunity of raking back some of the money they dearly miss from our membership. Like whacking up pointless unguarded cow gates that can be walked around or even shepherding boats safely across the busy Channel lanes proves this and yet Starmer and Cooper think pouring even more money towards it will help. Think on, dickheads!

The silly clueless cunts now think setting up expensive hubs in Albania, of all the corrupt places, will help ease the situation to process migrants. Sorry, did we not already fork out for a fully functioning migration centre in Rwanda, only for Starmer to shut it down out of partisan petulance and Germany to consider using it?? Proper braindead logic. 

Remind me Thieves where this £20 Billion black hole comes from again, because it seems to come directly from the misteps of dealing with immigration and they then have the fucking nerve to rob freezing pensioners and the disabled to help pay for their mismanagement. It's fucking disgusting warped priorities. 

They dump them all in deprived areas and never in the leafy quiet pleasant areas of the Country where the rich and establishment live - the very people who caused so much societal breakdown. In fact if there was ever a time to encourage plotting up illegal immigrants anywhere in the Country, it's directly along the paths of the Politicians home addresses. Then you'd start to see a more proactive approach to sorting this clusterfuck out, tout suite...

The successive Government's since Blair have all got blood on their hands for what they've done and all in the name of ideological diversity and multiculturalism with our nations generosity often being taken advantage of, instead of respected.

I'm not well educated like these chinless wankers are in charge but I do have my eyes and ears wide open as to what has happened to our once proud Nation. Even witnessing a young generation who have also been brainwashed in to wrongly hating their own Country, that's how bad it's got. It sickens me how irresponsible they've mismanaged the entire situation and the people have told them enough times now to row back on it over the past decade through Brexit, then the Brexit Party and now Reform who will eventually head in to power as a result. And they can't come soon enough to try and repair a lot of the damage already inflicted across the Country. I do hope it's not too late by then to stem the tide.

I agree with you on immigration, but the dye is now cast. The fabric of the UK has been altered beyond repair, birth rates within immigrant families will see that the trend only continues.

The illegal ones you can/should absolutely get rid of. The legal ones.............. how do you fix that? Especially when you have 2nd generations who are British citizens.

The country needs immigration to fill jobs, but you have to be able to manage it.

[Massive Attack]

So as I've got some time to kill awaiting to see my old man in hospital after his latest round of treatments, I thought I'd get on my WHO soap box for 10 minutes about the state of our immigration system that's been allowed to get way out of hand..

The world orders obsession with diversity and effectively encouraging mass migration has been nothing but a total fucking disaster where everyone loses. The experiment predictably hasn't worked and instead in a lot of situations it's actually caused division, not assimilation.

It's important to say it hasn't always been the case and there has been a level of success with integration at a more sustainable rate when it's done right, but that is a long time ago now. Indeed when watching how my father has generally been treated in the NHS it's usually done with care but they are immigrants that are hard working, respectful and actually able to communicate with ease. Not to mention those with medical expertise that's valued and appreciated. The type of immigration that proves it can work. They are not the one's who just want to take from the State, abuse our women and children, or plot the next terrorist attacks - An Iranian asylum seeking boatman who was housed at the tax payers expense being the latest plot attempt thwarted by MI5. Really couldn't make this shit up. 

When the migration numbers were manageable in this Country down to the ten's of thousands back in the 90's, it wasn't half as bad as now and people integrated at a more realistic, organic rate. Since Blair though and the weak limp wristed Conservatives that followed him, they have all conspired to manufacture widespread silo's. Where people don't go for fear of being mugged, attacked or generally feel alien in their own Country when they struggle to even hear their own language spoken when walking through certain places across the UK.

And then dopey do-gooding Politicians wonder how on earth a national scandal such as the industrial levels of disgusting grooming gangs materialised, or why we now have pockets of terror cells occasionally trying to blow us up whenever they next see an opportunity arise. Or the fact there's now hundreds of repatriated ISIS fighters who have to be constantly surveillanced since joining more recent wars in the middle east. That's how ridiculous it has all got. 

And it's all come to a head with the most recent mass illegal migration where we even house and pay for scores of predominantly young men who don't really give a fuck about our Country, only what they can take from it at astromincal expense. Our weak Politicians bend over backwards to facilitate their stay, instead of having the bollocks to say no, enough is enough, on you fuck.

We stupidly agreed to give France a fuck load of money to seriously combat the issue of which they had no intention of addressing, because they were still salty about Brexit. It was just a cunty opportunity of raking back some of the money they dearly miss from our membership. Like whacking up pointless unguarded cow gates that can be walked around or even shepherding boats safely across the busy Channel lanes proves this and yet Starmer and Cooper think pouring even more money towards it will help. Think on, dickheads!

The silly clueless cunts now think setting up expensive hubs in Albania, of all the corrupt places, will help ease the situation to process migrants. Sorry, did we not already fork out for a fully functioning migration centre in Rwanda, only for Starmer to shut it down out of partisan petulance and Germany to consider using it?? Proper braindead logic. 

Remind me Thieves where this £20 Billion black hole comes from again, because it seems to come directly from the misteps of dealing with immigration and they then have the fucking nerve to rob freezing pensioners and the disabled to help pay for their mismanagement. It's fucking disgusting warped priorities. 

They dump them all in deprived areas and never in the leafy quiet pleasant areas of the Country where the rich and establishment live - the very people who caused so much societal breakdown. In fact if there was ever a time to encourage plotting up illegal immigrants anywhere in the Country, it's directly along the paths of the Politicians home addresses. Then you'd start to see a more proactive approach to sorting this clusterfuck out, tout suite...

The successive Government's since Blair have all got blood on their hands for what they've done and all in the name of ideological diversity and multiculturalism with our nations generosity often being taken advantage of, instead of respected.

I'm not well educated like these chinless wankers are in charge but I do have my eyes and ears wide open as to what has happened to our once proud Nation. Even witnessing a young generation who have also been brainwashed in to wrongly hating their own Country, that's how bad it's got. It sickens me how irresponsible they've mismanaged the entire situation and the people have told them enough times now to row back on it over the past decade through Brexit, then the Brexit Party and now Reform who will eventually head in to power as a result. And they can't come soon enough to try and repair a lot of the damage already inflicted across the Country. I do hope it's not too late by then to stem the tide.

[goose]

Walmart is preparing to raise prices in the US as soon as this month, as its own costs increase as a result of the new tariffs on imports imposed by President Donald Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd62427ypw6o

you’ll see similar in the U.K. from April onwards thanks to NI and new recycling taxes.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Immigration is starting to become out of control In Australia Syders. They may not be illegal (scousers skipping their visa conditions aside) but record numbers have been let in via government stealth over the past few years and they are breeding. 15 years behind the UK and problems with synagogues getting attacked, Palastine marches already etc and Albo who is creating the problem asking for tolerance etc

[Sydney_Iron]

If you're in your 40,s or younger then good luck getting a state pension in the UK at 67 or whatever the age is now, maybe 70 in the not-too-distant future, saw its about £12,000 quid a year, which TBH is barely enough to survive on and about half what it is in Australia or NZ, mind you compared to the UK these countries have far fewer people on benefits or hordes of illegal immigrants to look after.

UK, dogs etc

[Massive Attack]

21yo Ukrainian national charged with torching a motor and front of a house linked to Starmer.

I wonder if the lad is a Pro-Russian supporter, like the link below as previously suspected..

[Cabbige Savage]

I woch Brekshit turn a man in to drunken luna tick

[Massive Attack]

One of the best thing's we ever done. 

[ray winstone]

Yeah, Brexit is proving to be a great decision, the benefits are rolling in, it's like Dover on a windless day.....

[only1billybonds]

Good job the economy is growing because the jobless figures have reason again and there is a lot of reluctance around hiring on account of the workers rights bill. As more and more millionaire's leave the country,we can all look forward to bigger tax bills to plug some holes.

Nice one Rach.

[Lee Trundle]

Fastest growing economy in the G7, seems Rachel from accounts isn't just a pair of tits after all.....

Another win for Brexit.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Skase re Ray, file mou.

[ray winstone]

Fastest growing economy in the G7, seems Rachel from accounts isn't just a pair of tits after all.....

[Fat, Bald n 50]

Starmer is only 'getting tough' because the Reform party did so well in the recent local elections. He is reacting out of fear,not genuine concern.
Cowardly duplicitous cսnt!

Last time this sort of thing happened, a then Prime Minister allowed a certain referendum, the result really upset Swiss and Hammer & Pickle.

[Massive Attack]

I thought Christy's reporting on the migrant crisis was excellent last night shining a light on a lot of it that both the French authorities and British mainstream Media don't like reported on....



That's proper Journalism.

[goose]

 

Trump didn’t take office till Jan 20th, not sure the first 3 months of 2025 will show any of Trumps influence. Even a 6 year iold would understand that.

Yes, as I said investment is coming in, new infrastructure and plants are being built. Why is that so difficult for you to understand.
Saudi Arabia just announced a new $600 billion investment in the USA, quick check the stats to see if the jobs show up why don’t you.

There is conjecture and there is common sense, if you think Trump doesn’t get his tax cuts then you are even more retarded than I gave you credit for.

so unbelievably stupid.


Floundering!

Claiming that the economy will be booming is conjecture given that it’s just shrunk and the growth fc has been downgraded by everyone.

A report recently published by Yale believes that the tariffs will cost the average household $3,800 a year. 
 

Floundering!

I wouldn’t say their economy is floundering, but all the problems are self inflicted.

[Nutsin]

So it’s not happening already? As we stand no new manufacturing jobs have been created, in fact some were lost. And let’s not confuse investment with jobs, the two don’t necessarily go hand in hand.

is it nit picking to point out that energy costs went up last month, the US economy didn’t boom in Q1, and no tax cuts have been passed yet.
what were you saying about conjecture?

 

Trump didn’t take office till Jan 20th, not sure the first 3 months of 2025 will show any of Trumps influence. Even a 6 year iold would understand that.

Yes, as I said investment is coming in, new infrastructure and plants are being built. Why is that so difficult for you to understand.
Saudi Arabia just announced a new $600 billion investment in the USA, quick check the stats to see if the jobs show up why don’t you.

There is conjecture and there is common sense, if you think Trump doesn’t get his tax cuts then you are even more retarded than I gave you credit for.

so unbelievably stupid.


Floundering!

Claiming that the economy will be booming is conjecture given that it’s just shrunk and the growth fc has been downgraded by everyone.

A report recently published by Yale believes that the tariffs will cost the average household $3,800 a year. 
 

Floundering!

[goose]

Jesus Christ, do I have to spell everything out to you ffs!

Trump has brought in trillions in new investments into the USA, that is already happening. That’s a Fact! All this new investment will create new US jobs,  Doesn’t mean the jobs will show up day one you fucking melt.

Yeah people will buy more with lower energy costs, tax cuts, a booming economy a booming middle class and more open markets to trade in, sure they will.


Fact that you have been on here nit picking every minor detail you can find while Trump is announcing major win after win shows just how desperate you are becoming. It’s about to get a lot worse for you in the coming months and I’m gonna continue to enjoy every second of it.


Floundering!

So it’s not happening already? As we stand no new manufacturing jobs have been created, in fact some were lost. And let’s not confuse investment with jobs, the two don’t necessarily go hand in hand.

is it nit picking to point out that energy costs went up last month, the US economy didn’t boom in Q1, and no tax cuts have been passed yet.
what were you saying about conjecture?

 

Trump didn’t take office till Jan 20th, not sure the first 3 months of 2025 will show any of Trumps influence. Even a 6 year iold would understand that.

Yes, as I said investment is coming in, new infrastructure and plants are being built. Why is that so difficult for you to understand.
Saudi Arabia just announced a new $600 billion investment in the USA, quick check the stats to see if the jobs show up why don’t you.

There is conjecture and there is common sense, if you think Trump doesn’t get his tax cuts then you are even more retarded than I gave you credit for.

so unbelievably stupid.


Floundering!

Claiming that the economy will be booming is conjecture given that it’s just shrunk and the growth fc has been downgraded by everyone.

A report recently published by Yale believes that the tariffs will cost the average household $3,800 a year. 
 

[Nutsin]

This is what you said:

"Trump will end up coming out way ahead as he will bring manufacturing Jobs back, which is already happening"

But its not already happening is it? In fact the opposite has happened.

Offset any losses by selling more? Why are they suddenly going to be selling more? It's the same product with a higher COGS. You think people will magically just buy more?

Jesus Christ, do I have to spell everything out to you ffs!

Trump has brought in trillions in new investments into the USA, that is already happening. That’s a Fact! All this new investment will create new US jobs,  Doesn’t mean the jobs will show up day one you fucking melt.

Yeah people will buy more with lower energy costs, tax cuts, a booming economy a booming middle class and more open markets to trade in, sure they will.


Fact that you have been on here nit picking every minor detail you can find while Trump is announcing major win after win shows just how desperate you are becoming. It’s about to get a lot worse for you in the coming months and I’m gonna continue to enjoy every second of it.


Floundering!

So it’s not happening already? As we stand no new manufacturing jobs have been created, in fact some were lost. And let’s not confuse investment with jobs, the two don’t necessarily go hand in hand.

is it nit picking to point out that energy costs went up last month, the US economy didn’t boom in Q1, and no tax cuts have been passed yet.
what were you saying about conjecture?

 

 

Trump didn’t take office till Jan 20th, not sure the first 3 months of 2025 will show any of Trumps influence. Even a 6 year iold would understand that.

Yes, as I said investment is coming in, new infrastructure and plants are being built. Why is that so difficult for you to understand.
Saudi Arabia just announced a new $600 billion investment in the USA, quick check the stats to see if the jobs show up why don’t you.

There is conjecture and there is common sense, if you think Trump doesn’t get his tax cuts then you are even more retarded than I gave you credit for.

so unbelievably stupid.


Floundering!

[goose]

Decline in profits? You could always get more market share and offset any loss in profits by selling more, It’s nothing new silly nuts.

and stop lying about what I said, anyone with half a brain knows that any new manufacturing jobs wouldn’t show up in the first 29 days. I said Trump is bringing manufacturing jobs back that doesn’t mean they will show up instantly. Yet another example of just how retarded you really are.

Stop floundering you’re embarassing yourself.

This is what you said:

"Trump will end up coming out way ahead as he will bring manufacturing Jobs back, which is already happening"

But its not already happening is it? In fact the opposite has happened.

Offset any losses by selling more? Why are they suddenly going to be selling more? It's the same product with a higher COGS. You think people will magically just buy more?

Jesus Christ, do I have to spell everything out to you ffs!

Trump has brought in trillions in new investments into the USA, that is already happening. That’s a Fact! All this new investment will create new US jobs,  Doesn’t mean the jobs will show up day one you fucking melt.

Yeah people will buy more with lower energy costs, tax cuts, a booming economy a booming middle class and more open markets to trade in, sure they will.


Fact that you have been on here nit picking every minor detail you can find while Trump is announcing major win after win shows just how desperate you are becoming. It’s about to get a lot worse for you in the coming months and I’m gonna continue to enjoy every second of it.


Floundering!

So it’s not happening already? As we stand no new manufacturing jobs have been created, in fact some were lost. And let’s not confuse investment with jobs, the two don’t necessarily go hand in hand.

is it nit picking to point out that energy costs went up last month, the US economy didn’t boom in Q1, and no tax cuts have been passed yet.
what were you saying about conjecture?

[Nutsin]

I’ve just said to you that the input prices will tell the story over the next 3 months.
You posted that manufacturing jobs were on the rise, which was a lie.

So you want manufacturers and retailers to make less profit? What do you suppose organisations do when they see declines in profits? What do markets do?

Decline in profits? You could always get more market share and offset any loss in profits by selling more, It’s nothing new silly nuts.

and stop lying about what I said, anyone with half a brain knows that any new manufacturing jobs wouldn’t show up in the first 29 days. I said Trump is bringing manufacturing jobs back that doesn’t mean they will show up instantly. Yet another example of just how retarded you really are.

Stop floundering you’re embarassing yourself.

This is what you said:

"Trump will end up coming out way ahead as he will bring manufacturing Jobs back, which is already happening"

But its not already happening is it? In fact the opposite has happened.

Offset any losses by selling more? Why are they suddenly going to be selling more? It's the same product with a higher COGS. You think people will magically just buy more?

Jesus Christ, do I have to spell everything out to you ffs!

Trump has brought in trillions in new investments into the USA, that is already happening. That’s a Fact! All this new investment will create new US jobs,  Doesn’t mean the jobs will show up day one you fucking melt.

Yeah people will buy more with lower energy costs, tax cuts, a booming economy a booming middle class and more open markets to trade in, sure they will.


Fact that you have been on here nit picking every minor detail you can find while Trump is announcing major win after win shows just how desperate you are becoming. It’s about to get a lot worse for you in the coming months and I’m gonna continue to enjoy every second of it.


Floundering!

[goose]

No you make your mind up, lol.

Says the clown who wants to know where the manufacturing jobs are in the first 29 days, what a cսnt!

Here’s another lesson for you, an increase in wholesale prices doesn’t always translate to on increase in prices to the consumer, sometimes manufacturers eat the increase to remain competitive and operate under smaller margins.

Energy prices always fluctuate, wanna k ow what pushes prices up? More demand. Perhaps we about gonna see a recession after all let alone a depression like you’ve been spouting.

As for the Fed, they are not always right and as Trump said are often late on interest rate cuts. I remember Janet Yellen telling us all that Biden’s inflation was transitory ffs. How fucking wrong was she.
Floundering!

I’ve just said to you that the input prices will tell the story over the next 3 months.
You posted that manufacturing jobs were on the rise, which was a lie.

So you want manufacturers and retailers to make less profit? What do you suppose organisations do when they see declines in profits? What do markets do?

Decline in profits? You could always get more market share and offset any loss in profits by selling more, It’s nothing new silly nuts.

and stop lying about what I said, anyone with half a brain knows that any new manufacturing jobs wouldn’t show up in the first 29 days. I said Trump is bringing manufacturing jobs back that doesn’t mean they will show up instantly. Yet another example of just how retarded you really are.

Stop floundering you’re embarassing yourself.

This is what you said:

"Trump will end up coming out way ahead as he will bring manufacturing Jobs back, which is already happening"

But its not already happening is it? In fact the opposite has happened.

Offset any losses by selling more? Why are they suddenly going to be selling more? It's the same product with a higher COGS. You think people will magically just buy more?