The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[goose]

Yeh it’s funny what the reduction & removal of tariffs will do. 

You mean trade agreements and new investments into the USA because of the threat of Tariffs.

No I mean reduction and removal of tariffs.
The only meaningful agreement is with the U.K. China is tbc.

Did you see what Walmart said about prices?

[Nutsin]

Yeh it’s funny what the reduction & removal of tariffs will do. 

You mean trade agreements and new investments into the USA because of the threat of Tariffs.

[goose]

Yeh it’s funny what the reduction & removal of tariffs will do. 

[Nutsin]

I see all the doom and gloom economists who were calling for a USA recession are all either removing their forecast completely now or dramatically lowering the probability.
No surprise there, I bet most of them were buying while main st investors were selling. 

 

[only1billybonds]

Agree with every word MA. 
It seems the kids/grandkids of the 50/60's immigrants are far more radicalised than the generations that preceeded them. Joys of the Internet I guess.

I know a woman in her 70's who has had to put her husband in a care home at a cost of 7k per month.
Her and her husband worked for 50 odd years, paying thousands into a system that won't help her on account that she is a home owner yet that same system is happily spending 4.5 million quid a WEEK on people who have no legal right to be here. Said it before on here that there was a time when my pride in this country was endless. I now despise what its becoming.

[Swiss.]

Yeah, thank fuck for high quality EU produce like horsemeat used in Lasagne and burger products that were widely distributed and went undetected before consumption. Some are still feeling a horse now since that monumental scandal. 

Nothing wrong with a bit Cheval 

[Massive Attack]

Yeah, thank fuck for high quality EU produce like horsemeat used in Lasagne and burger products that were widely distributed and went undetected before consumption. Some are still feeling a horse now since that monumental scandal. 

[Swiss.]

New US trade deal will mean we can buy cheap unregulated goods from the US to replace the quality regulated imports we used to get from the EU.

Brexit keeps giving. 

[Westside]

If you're in your 40,s or younger then good luck getting a state pension in the UK at 67 or whatever the age is now, maybe 70 in the not-too-distant future, saw its about £12,000 quid a year, which TBH is barely enough to survive on and about half what it is in Australia or NZ, mind you compared to the UK these countries have far fewer people on benefits or hordes of illegal immigrants to look after.

UK, dogs etc

Single person annual state pension in Australia Aus $29,874, about £15k. NZ state pension NZ $28K annually, about  £12.5k annually. UK state pension currently single person, is £12k. So not a lot of difference. Aus and NZ certainly not twice as high, despite their lack of immigrants and benefit claimants.

[Massive Attack]

Yep, we've willfully allowed it to happen. Well, apart from those of us that have tried to continuously vote against it in more recent years in various ways, in the hope that the penny would eventually drop.

Reform is just about the last chance this Country has of ever getting to grips with it and even then it might be too late. No other choice is now available as all the other Parties have become traitors towards the Country with what they have done and continue to still do under Labour once more. 

[BerlingtonBertie]

Enoch Powell was right.
Vote Labour or Tory they all continue to come in.
You need a new party or a civil war. The public is weak as piss so neither will occur. They will take over without a gun being fired.

[Massive Attack]

Well when you halt further mass arrivals and deal with migration already here within the Country, what you then do is focus on educating them the right way in our schools (not the brainwashing bile currently taught), to appreciate what this Country has afforded them and to give them the skills (like the English language) to then hopefully leads to full time work as a valued member of society. Again, that'll need sensible planning and funding but it's not impossible if managed right and certainly a damn sight better spending the resources that are currently wasted on housing illegal migrants etc.

We've got to now give the current migration a chance to integrate and feel more at part of society and appreciate what they have whilst respecting the Countries values. It won't be a quick turn around, it will probably take a generation to settle it down.

What we don't do is continue to allow endless more arrivals where everything breaks down completely. It does need drastic action to bring the net migration right down to give us a chance. Got to at least try and make the best of it from that point on..

[goose]

Again, completely agree with you on foreign criminals. Something like 16% of prison inmates are not british citizens, which is even more critical now given that we will run out of adult male prison spaces before the end of the year.

it's fucking mental that we are unable to deport them to their 'own' country.

I also agree with you on the numbers being unsustainable financially and in terms of infrstructure.
we are told there is a housing crisis and yet we willingly grow population every year.

my point is more about the social fabric of society, that has changed beyond repair.
if they wanted to, they could fix them numbers (it wouldn't be easy) but they cannot fix the erosion of british 'culture'.

[Massive Attack]

Goose

So like you rightly say, start by getting rid of the illegal economic migrants, as well as the known  terrorists and get back to only allowing in legal migration including genuine asylum seekers involving women and children. And that may only be achieved once we leave the ECHR. 

As for established migrants, it's not about telling/making them leave, other than possibly exploring sending foreign criminals back to their original countries if deals can be struck with their returning Countries. That will also help ease the prison services currently at breaking point where prison guards are regularly attacked now. 

The rate we are continuing to travel in is almost north of three quarters of a million net migrants a year. It's totally unsustainable and needs radical reform to reverse that trend and that can be achieved under the right leadership. If we don't, then our way of life will rapidly decrease further until we see regular civil unrest which feels like it's already around the corner from happening. Last summer was a real eye opener as to what may come if we don't address it soon and it could well happen with alaing regularity. We have to try and all the other Parties failed in their previous so-called attempts.

[goose]

So as I've got some time to kill awaiting to see my old man in hospital after his latest round of treatments, I thought I'd get on my WHO soap box for 10 minutes about the state of our immigration system that's been allowed to get way out of hand..

The world orders obsession with diversity and effectively encouraging mass migration has been nothing but a total fucking disaster where everyone loses. The experiment predictably hasn't worked and instead in a lot of situations it's actually caused division, not assimilation.

It's important to say it hasn't always been the case and there has been a level of success with integration at a more sustainable rate when it's done right, but that is a long time ago now. Indeed when watching how my father has generally been treated in the NHS it's usually done with care but they are immigrants that are hard working, respectful and actually able to communicate with ease. Not to mention those with medical expertise that's valued and appreciated. The type of immigration that proves it can work. They are not the one's who just want to take from the State, abuse our women and children, or plot the next terrorist attacks - An Iranian asylum seeking boatman who was housed at the tax payers expense being the latest plot attempt thwarted by MI5. Really couldn't make this shit up. 

When the migration numbers were manageable in this Country down to the ten's of thousands back in the 90's, it wasn't half as bad as now and people integrated at a more realistic, organic rate. Since Blair though and the weak limp wristed Conservatives that followed him, they have all conspired to manufacture widespread silo's. Where people don't go for fear of being mugged, attacked or generally feel alien in their own Country when they struggle to even hear their own language spoken when walking through certain places across the UK.

And then dopey do-gooding Politicians wonder how on earth a national scandal such as the industrial levels of disgusting grooming gangs materialised, or why we now have pockets of terror cells occasionally trying to blow us up whenever they next see an opportunity arise. Or the fact there's now hundreds of repatriated ISIS fighters who have to be constantly surveillanced since joining more recent wars in the middle east. That's how ridiculous it has all got. 

And it's all come to a head with the most recent mass illegal migration where we even house and pay for scores of predominantly young men who don't really give a fuck about our Country, only what they can take from it at astromincal expense. Our weak Politicians bend over backwards to facilitate their stay, instead of having the bollocks to say no, enough is enough, on you fuck.

We stupidly agreed to give France a fuck load of money to seriously combat the issue of which they had no intention of addressing, because they were still salty about Brexit. It was just a cunty opportunity of raking back some of the money they dearly miss from our membership. Like whacking up pointless unguarded cow gates that can be walked around or even shepherding boats safely across the busy Channel lanes proves this and yet Starmer and Cooper think pouring even more money towards it will help. Think on, dickheads!

The silly clueless cunts now think setting up expensive hubs in Albania, of all the corrupt places, will help ease the situation to process migrants. Sorry, did we not already fork out for a fully functioning migration centre in Rwanda, only for Starmer to shut it down out of partisan petulance and Germany to consider using it?? Proper braindead logic. 

Remind me Thieves where this £20 Billion black hole comes from again, because it seems to come directly from the misteps of dealing with immigration and they then have the fucking nerve to rob freezing pensioners and the disabled to help pay for their mismanagement. It's fucking disgusting warped priorities. 

They dump them all in deprived areas and never in the leafy quiet pleasant areas of the Country where the rich and establishment live - the very people who caused so much societal breakdown. In fact if there was ever a time to encourage plotting up illegal immigrants anywhere in the Country, it's directly along the paths of the Politicians home addresses. Then you'd start to see a more proactive approach to sorting this clusterfuck out, tout suite...

The successive Government's since Blair have all got blood on their hands for what they've done and all in the name of ideological diversity and multiculturalism with our nations generosity often being taken advantage of, instead of respected.

I'm not well educated like these chinless wankers are in charge but I do have my eyes and ears wide open as to what has happened to our once proud Nation. Even witnessing a young generation who have also been brainwashed in to wrongly hating their own Country, that's how bad it's got. It sickens me how irresponsible they've mismanaged the entire situation and the people have told them enough times now to row back on it over the past decade through Brexit, then the Brexit Party and now Reform who will eventually head in to power as a result. And they can't come soon enough to try and repair a lot of the damage already inflicted across the Country. I do hope it's not too late by then to stem the tide.

I agree with you on immigration, but the dye is now cast. The fabric of the UK has been altered beyond repair, birth rates within immigrant families will see that the trend only continues.

The illegal ones you can/should absolutely get rid of. The legal ones.............. how do you fix that? Especially when you have 2nd generations who are British citizens.

The country needs immigration to fill jobs, but you have to be able to manage it.

[Massive Attack]

So as I've got some time to kill awaiting to see my old man in hospital after his latest round of treatments, I thought I'd get on my WHO soap box for 10 minutes about the state of our immigration system that's been allowed to get way out of hand..

The world orders obsession with diversity and effectively encouraging mass migration has been nothing but a total fucking disaster where everyone loses. The experiment predictably hasn't worked and instead in a lot of situations it's actually caused division, not assimilation.

It's important to say it hasn't always been the case and there has been a level of success with integration at a more sustainable rate when it's done right, but that is a long time ago now. Indeed when watching how my father has generally been treated in the NHS it's usually done with care but they are immigrants that are hard working, respectful and actually able to communicate with ease. Not to mention those with medical expertise that's valued and appreciated. The type of immigration that proves it can work. They are not the one's who just want to take from the State, abuse our women and children, or plot the next terrorist attacks - An Iranian asylum seeking boatman who was housed at the tax payers expense being the latest plot attempt thwarted by MI5. Really couldn't make this shit up. 

When the migration numbers were manageable in this Country down to the ten's of thousands back in the 90's, it wasn't half as bad as now and people integrated at a more realistic, organic rate. Since Blair though and the weak limp wristed Conservatives that followed him, they have all conspired to manufacture widespread silo's. Where people don't go for fear of being mugged, attacked or generally feel alien in their own Country when they struggle to even hear their own language spoken when walking through certain places across the UK.

And then dopey do-gooding Politicians wonder how on earth a national scandal such as the industrial levels of disgusting grooming gangs materialised, or why we now have pockets of terror cells occasionally trying to blow us up whenever they next see an opportunity arise. Or the fact there's now hundreds of repatriated ISIS fighters who have to be constantly surveillanced since joining more recent wars in the middle east. That's how ridiculous it has all got. 

And it's all come to a head with the most recent mass illegal migration where we even house and pay for scores of predominantly young men who don't really give a fuck about our Country, only what they can take from it at astromincal expense. Our weak Politicians bend over backwards to facilitate their stay, instead of having the bollocks to say no, enough is enough, on you fuck.

We stupidly agreed to give France a fuck load of money to seriously combat the issue of which they had no intention of addressing, because they were still salty about Brexit. It was just a cunty opportunity of raking back some of the money they dearly miss from our membership. Like whacking up pointless unguarded cow gates that can be walked around or even shepherding boats safely across the busy Channel lanes proves this and yet Starmer and Cooper think pouring even more money towards it will help. Think on, dickheads!

The silly clueless cunts now think setting up expensive hubs in Albania, of all the corrupt places, will help ease the situation to process migrants. Sorry, did we not already fork out for a fully functioning migration centre in Rwanda, only for Starmer to shut it down out of partisan petulance and Germany to consider using it?? Proper braindead logic. 

Remind me Thieves where this £20 Billion black hole comes from again, because it seems to come directly from the misteps of dealing with immigration and they then have the fucking nerve to rob freezing pensioners and the disabled to help pay for their mismanagement. It's fucking disgusting warped priorities. 

They dump them all in deprived areas and never in the leafy quiet pleasant areas of the Country where the rich and establishment live - the very people who caused so much societal breakdown. In fact if there was ever a time to encourage plotting up illegal immigrants anywhere in the Country, it's directly along the paths of the Politicians home addresses. Then you'd start to see a more proactive approach to sorting this clusterfuck out, tout suite...

The successive Government's since Blair have all got blood on their hands for what they've done and all in the name of ideological diversity and multiculturalism with our nations generosity often being taken advantage of, instead of respected.

I'm not well educated like these chinless wankers are in charge but I do have my eyes and ears wide open as to what has happened to our once proud Nation. Even witnessing a young generation who have also been brainwashed in to wrongly hating their own Country, that's how bad it's got. It sickens me how irresponsible they've mismanaged the entire situation and the people have told them enough times now to row back on it over the past decade through Brexit, then the Brexit Party and now Reform who will eventually head in to power as a result. And they can't come soon enough to try and repair a lot of the damage already inflicted across the Country. I do hope it's not too late by then to stem the tide.

[goose]

Walmart is preparing to raise prices in the US as soon as this month, as its own costs increase as a result of the new tariffs on imports imposed by President Donald Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd62427ypw6o

you’ll see similar in the U.K. from April onwards thanks to NI and new recycling taxes.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Immigration is starting to become out of control In Australia Syders. They may not be illegal (scousers skipping their visa conditions aside) but record numbers have been let in via government stealth over the past few years and they are breeding. 15 years behind the UK and problems with synagogues getting attacked, Palastine marches already etc and Albo who is creating the problem asking for tolerance etc

[Sydney_Iron]

If you're in your 40,s or younger then good luck getting a state pension in the UK at 67 or whatever the age is now, maybe 70 in the not-too-distant future, saw its about £12,000 quid a year, which TBH is barely enough to survive on and about half what it is in Australia or NZ, mind you compared to the UK these countries have far fewer people on benefits or hordes of illegal immigrants to look after.

UK, dogs etc

[Massive Attack]

21yo Ukrainian national charged with torching a motor and front of a house linked to Starmer.

I wonder if the lad is a Pro-Russian supporter, like the link below as previously suspected..

[Cabbige Savage]

I woch Brekshit turn a man in to drunken luna tick

[Massive Attack]

One of the best thing's we ever done. 

[ray winstone]

Yeah, Brexit is proving to be a great decision, the benefits are rolling in, it's like Dover on a windless day.....

[only1billybonds]

Good job the economy is growing because the jobless figures have reason again and there is a lot of reluctance around hiring on account of the workers rights bill. As more and more millionaire's leave the country,we can all look forward to bigger tax bills to plug some holes.

Nice one Rach.

[Lee Trundle]

Fastest growing economy in the G7, seems Rachel from accounts isn't just a pair of tits after all.....

Another win for Brexit.