Iran v Israel

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

Israel struck Iran last night.

Iran hit back tonight.

Israel is bombing Iran now. 

Hope Iran wins, tbh. No more wars for Israel. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

I've got no favouritism either way in the two sides but I did find it highly ironic that when one of Iran's missiles hit an Israeli hospital they were all saying war crime, war crime and yet that's what the Israelis have been doing to the hospitals in Gaza pretty much at will.

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

The thing with taking out the Iran regime is it'll severely effect and weaken all the proxy shit going on in the region as it's them that funds, arms and trains up the terrorist groups of Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas with also links to the Taliban/Al-quaeda which has been so destructive to the region for so long. 

Cutting the head off the snake that's caused so much shit down the years seems too good an opportunity to turn up now, as well as fucking up their nuclear capabilites.

Now Israel has gone this far, they may as well just snuff the chief raghead and as many of his henchman as possible so the people can finally rise up. 

Could be the wrong move and there's a better way of going about it all but that's the way I see it, so in for a penny..

the baby killers can't do it on their own, so they're running to trump.

melts.

[Massive Attack]

The thing with taking out the Iran regime is it'll severely effect and weaken all the proxy shit going on in the region as it's them that funds, arms and trains up the terrorist groups of Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas with also links to the Taliban/Al-quaeda which has been so destructive to the region for so long. 

Cutting the head off the snake that's caused so much shit down the years seems too good an opportunity to turn up now, as well as fucking up their nuclear capabilites.

Now Israel has gone this far, they may as well just snuff the chief raghead and as many of his henchman as possible so the people can finally rise up. 

Could be the wrong move and there's a better way of going about it all but that's the way I see it, so in for a penny..

[Lee Trundle]

I wouldn't want to stick up for either of these sides, but I find it REALLY incredible that people are willing to throw their support behind Iran in all this, well the ones that live in the West anyway.

[Mr Anon]

Mike - i’d like to stick those crayons in your eyes and nose and smash your head against a table you boring cսnt.
Simple rag rhetoric - why launch a nuke when you know it will be responded to and you will be wiped out - doesn't make sense.
But you rather believe the yanks who always speak the truth…. They had no luck going down holes in ‘Nam and Afghanistan so let’s see if they can take out the big Iranian hole and further destabilise the region.  

why blow yourself up with a suicide vest, stop trying to apply logic to fanatics

[Mike Oxsaw]

Mike - i’d like to stick those crayons in your eyes and nose and smash your head against a table you boring cսnt.
Simple rag rhetoric - why launch a nuke when you know it will be responded to and you will be wiped out - doesn't make sense.
But you rather believe the yanks who always speak the truth…. They had no luck going down holes in ‘Nam and Afghanistan so let’s see if they can take out the big Iranian hole and further destabilise the region.  

I've already pointed out that the religious rag-heads (as YOU call them) don't give a fig if them attacking Israel results in the total obliteration of their own country and society as their belief convinces them that they (but, strangely enough, not their perceived enemy) will rise, like a phoenix from the ashes, to dominate the world.

Everybody becomes a martyr for them in such a scenario.

You can't beat beliefs.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Mike - i’d like to stick those crayons in your eyes and nose and smash your head against a table you boring cսnt.
Simple rag rhetoric - why launch a nuke when you know it will be responded to and you will be wiped out - doesn't make sense.
But you rather believe the yanks who always speak the truth…. They had no luck going down holes in ‘Nam and Afghanistan so let’s see if they can take out the big Iranian hole and further destabilise the region.  

[WHU(Exeter)]

If only there could've been an agreement in place whereas Iran was sticking to agreed upon levels, which were being ratified by the ICEA regularly.

oh... 

[Mike Oxsaw]

My understanding is that Iran already possess enough Uranium to a sufficient purity to meet it's civilian nuclear power requirements, so there is no commercial need or requirement to improve on that purity.

So why do it?

Or why be coy on whether or not you're doing it?

Given the massive oil/gas revenue Iran generates each year, spending so much on a product you don't need nor have any use for still makes no sense whatsoever.

So the question is: "Do they actually have a (planned) use for Uranium at that higher level of purity?

Even if the chance of them purifying enough to make a viable atom bomb is minuscule, it's not zero, so there IS such a possibility.

Given that is the case, then a potential impact assessment (in addition to the prior risk assessment) needs to be undertaken.

Anyone care to guess what the impact is of an atom bomb being dropped on Israel? Could fuck up your holidays in the Med for centuries to come, for one. How big a bucket of cսnt is that?

[WHU(Exeter)]

Faux, totally disagree with that, it’s the other way round.

There were ongoing discussions between the US and Iran to find a way to restart the JCPOA, which had been agreed years before with the US, European countries and Iran. Any negotiations like that are bound to have big sticking points but the dialogue was still ongoing.

only one country didn’t like that and here we are now.

Israel is the tail wagging the dog, and they should’ve just cut to the chase with all this and gone to war with Iran two years ago.


 

[zebthecat]

The Americans have wanted to take out Iran for years if not decades
Didnt want to make a first strike but think was the plan all along… get Israel to start a skirmish & then insist Iran surrender. When they don’t pile in with their bombs that can destroy Irans underground nuclear facility
Job done 
All the other Arab countries are too scared to join in so that’s the end of it 
Actually not a bad strategy 

What could possibly go wrong with forced regime change in the Middle East?

[Mr Anon]

Not sure why the Rags cant be allowed to develop a nuke/nuke power and others can do what they want?
Weapons of mass destruction type dribble to allow the yanks to test their big bomb maybe.
The worlds a fucking mess


 

You don't see any issues with the biggest supplier of state funded terrorism to have nuclear weapons?

[Fauxstralian]

The Americans have wanted to take out Iran for years if not decades
Didnt want to make a first strike but think was the plan all along… get Israel to start a skirmish & then insist Iran surrender. When they don’t pile in with their bombs that can destroy Irans underground nuclear facility
Job done 
All the other Arab countries are too scared to join in so that’s the end of it 
Actually not a bad strategy 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Not sure why the Rags cant be allowed to develop a nuke/nuke power and others can do what they want?
Weapons of mass destruction type dribble to allow the yanks to test their big bomb maybe.
The worlds a fucking mess


 

Put together a list of nation states who have declared their aim is to wipe another nation state and it's people from the face of the earth.

Then give good reasons why such states should be allowed develop the technology that allows them to do so.

Illustrate your answer with diagrams if you feel it will help. The use of crayons is permitted.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Not sure why the Rags cant be allowed to develop a nuke/nuke power and others can do what they want?
Weapons of mass destruction type dribble to allow the yanks to test their big bomb maybe.
The worlds a fucking mess

 

[BRANDED]

I’m feeling its 5-2 to the yids

[Mike Oxsaw]

Anybody actually believe what Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said today?

Seems to me he's saying that he (and by default, his (HIS) people) don't want to live on a planet that has Israel as a nation state.

Sounds like he needs his bluff calling: the world seems to have ridden most of the (energy related) issues thrown up by Russia's invasion of the Ukraine, so that would suggest it can do so again.

They start targeting energy production sites in countries not involved in this skirmish and the shit really will hit the fan for them.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Fucking Batman bitch. Let them all kill each other 

[panamahat]

Why the hell not

[RootsRadical]

Shouldn't laugh........





 

[Mike Oxsaw]

I don't give a shit about either of them..
All I care about is my own (kin and country)

You should give a shit because if Israel capitulates, the fundamentalists will be looking for their next target/victory and the obvious choice is somewhere they've been sending fertile young men of fighting age for decades.

The army is already in place and society will willingly provide the weaponry.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I don't give a shit about either of them..
All I care about is my own (kin and country)

[Mike Oxsaw]

How about Hamas operatives stop using civilians as human shields. Do you think that will work?

How about the population of Gaza give up all Hamas operatives to Israel and release the remaining hostages? Do you think that will work?

How about if Iran formally accepts the state of Israel and it's right to peacefully exist, rather than demanding it's eradication from the earth, and in addition issues unconditional fatwa's on any who disrespect Iran's choice and keep attacking Israel. Do you think that will work?

No.

How about if Israel stops committing war crimes, will that work?

How about if Israel allows aid convoys into Gaza, rather than adopting a policy of collective punishment? Will that work?

How about if Israel uses targeted assasinations, rather than carpet bombing Gaza, will that work?

How about if Israel stops building illegal settlements on the West Bank and removes the existing ones, will that work?

Well, do YOU think (not hope or really (REALLY) want, but think) that the options you've offered up will stop the aggression on both sides?

Will we (have to) allow a teensy-weensy bit of aggression (against Israel, naturally) while we wait and see if your suggestions work?

Everything tried so far, hasn't stopped the violence, so who knows if they will work or not. Could be worth a try.

And where did I say Israel should put up with agression? I'm saying they should strike back in ways which don't involve war crimes. I mean I can't put Israel's right to self defence more clearly than "How about if Israel uses targeted assasinations, rather than carpet bombing Gaza."

Nothing screams more loudly than a statement like " "How about if Israel uses targeted assasinations, rather than carpet bombing Gaza.""  that you're intent of dragging the debate down to 6th-form levels of "solutions".

How do you target somebody hiding in a school or hospital?

How long should you be allowed to take to acquire and dispatch said target?

How much further aggression against your people should you have to tolerate whilst setting up each targeted assassination?

To be honest, if I had any say in Israelis reactions to the constant aggression of they've been on the receiving end down the years, I'd have long since handed out, in a language or method they fully understand, a slap that made the aggressor(s) go "FUCK THAT! Won't ever try that one again!".

The only thing of such magnitude I can think of at the moment is a dirty bomb down each and every entrance tunnel to Iran's underground nuclear facilities; the very earth protecting them will paradoxically prevent nuclear contamination polluting the atmosphere and at the same time render these facilities inaccessible for decades, if not hundreds of years.

It may well be that Iran are trying to coax/goad Israel into initiating a "traditional" Hiroshima style nuclear strike in an attempt to claim the global moral high ground (on behalf of their faith). The above suggestion may, they would try to claim, realise their dreams, but not quite in the way they pray for.

Desperate times often need desperate measures, especially if whoever opposes you does not share with you a common set of life's values.

[Hammer I am]

 

[Westside]

How about Hamas operatives stop using civilians as human shields. Do you think that will work?

How about the population of Gaza give up all Hamas operatives to Israel and release the remaining hostages? Do you think that will work?

How about if Iran formally accepts the state of Israel and it's right to peacefully exist, rather than demanding it's eradication from the earth, and in addition issues unconditional fatwa's on any who disrespect Iran's choice and keep attacking Israel. Do you think that will work?

No.

How about if Israel stops committing war crimes, will that work?

How about if Israel allows aid convoys into Gaza, rather than adopting a policy of collective punishment? Will that work?

How about if Israel uses targeted assasinations, rather than carpet bombing Gaza, will that work?

How about if Israel stops building illegal settlements on the West Bank and removes the existing ones, will that work?

Well, do YOU think (not hope or really (REALLY) want, but think) that the options you've offered up will stop the aggression on both sides?

Will we (have to) allow a teensy-weensy bit of aggression (against Israel, naturally) while we wait and see if your suggestions work?

Everything tried so far, hasn't stopped the violence, so who knows if they will work or not. Could be worth a try.

And where did I say Israel should put up with agression? I'm saying they should strike back in ways which don't involve war crimes. I mean I can't put Israel's right to self defence more clearly than "How about if Israel uses targeted assasinations, rather than carpet bombing Gaza."