Summer Transfer Window 2025 | Official Thread

[stubbo-admin]

May as well get going with this since with Sullivan at the helm, season ticket renewals slow, and the football vacuum to commence, this will soon be all the "news" there is.

Can Potter and MacCauley pull multiple rabbits out of the hat, or will Sullivan 'try really hard' with all of them before grabbing a few aging bargains from Big Willie Salthouse?

Window this close season comes in two parts:

Part 1: 1st June to 10th June
Part 2: 16th June to 1st September

Rumoured Outs...most of the squad

Let the "Rumoured In's" commence. 

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Player | Position | Club | Fee (GBP)

Rumoured In

1. Daniel Cummings | ST | Celtic
2. Koni De Winter | CB | Genoa
3. Morten Frendrup | DM | Genoa
4. Richard Kone | ST | Wycombe
5. Aaron Ramsdale | GK | Southampton
6. Caiomin Kelleher | GK | Liverpool
7. James Trafford | GK | Burnley
8. Kyle Walker-Peters | FB | Free Agent
9. Taylor Harwood-Bellis | CB | Southampton
10. CJ Egan-Riley | CB | Free Agent
11. Josh Brownhill | CM | Free Agent
12. Albian Hajdari | CB | Lugano
13. Lucas Høgsberg | CB | FC Nordsjælland
14. Ardon Jashari | CM | Brugge
15. Raphael Onyedika | CM | Brugge
16. James McAtee | AM | Man City
17. Mario Struykens | AM | Anderlecht
18. Mathias Kvistgaarden | ST | Brondby
19. Clement Bischoff | LB | Brondby
20. Mika Biereth | FW | Monaco
21. Barış Alper Yılmaz | AM | Galatasaray
22. Evann Guessand | ST | Nice
23. Lucas Stassin | ST | Saint Etienne
24. Marcus Taverner | FW | Bournemouth
25. Soungoutoo Magassa | CDM | Monaco
26. Valentin Atangana | CM | Stade Reims
27. Mads Hermansen | GK | Leicester City
28. Hamza Igamane | ST | Rangers
29. Yeremay | FW | Deportivo La Coruna
30. Adama Bojang | ST | Reims
31. Rocco Reitz | MF | Borussia Moenchengladbach
32. Dominic Calvert-Lewin | ST | Free Agent
33. El Hadji Malick Diouf | LB | SK Slavia Prague
34. Oscar Mingueza | RB/MF | Celta Vigo
35. Tyler Morton | CM | Liverpool
36. Harvey Elliott | AM | Liverpool
37. Zion Suzuki | GK | Parma
38. John Victor | GK | Botofogo 
39. Jacob Ramsey | MF | Villa
40. Mateus Fernandes | CM | Southampton
41. Nga Makou | CM | Lille
42. Quinten Timber | CM
43. Hayden Hackney | CM | Boro
44. Yves Bissouma | CM | Spurs

Rumoured Out

1. Nayef Aguerd | CB | Leverkusen, Marseile
2. Maxel Cornet | FW | Genoa/Others
3. Guido Rodriguez | DM | Betis/Espanyol
4. Tomas Soucek | CM | Everton
5. Michail Antonio | ST | Free Agent
6. Mo Kudus | FW | Chelsea/Newcastle/Arsenal
7. Lucas Paqueta | AM | Man City
8. Andy Irving | CM | Celtic/Wrexham
9. Emerson | LB | Marseille

Confirmed In

1. Jean Clair Todibo | CB | Loan To Perm (32m)
2. Daniel Cummings | ST | Celtic (Free Agent...Tribunal)
3. El Hadji Malick Diouf | LWB | Slavia Prahia | 20m
4. Kyle Walker-Peters | RWB | Free Agent
5. C****m Wilson | ST | Free Agent
6. Mads Hermansen | GK | Leicester (18m)
7. Mateus Fernandes | CM | Southampton (38m + 4m)
8. Soungoutoo Magassa | CDM | Monaco (17m)
9. Igor Julio | CB | Brighton (Loan)

Confirmed Out

1. Aaron Cresswell | LB | Free Agent | 0m
2. Danny Ings | ST | Free Agent | 0m
3. Vladimir Coufal | RB | Free Agent | 0m
4. Lukusz Fabianski | GK | Free Agent | 0m
5. Kamari Swyer | AM | Free Agent | 0m
6. Kurt Zouma | CB | Free Agent | 0m
7. Carlos Soler | CM | PSG | End of Loan
8. Evan Ferguson | ST | Brighton | End of Loan
9. Brad Dolaghan | Released
10. Dondre Abraham | Released
11. Mehmet Halim | Released
12. Muhammed Judus |stroppy| sp*rs| £55m
13. Michail Antonio | Released
14. Kieran Casey | Swansea | Loan
15. Edson Alvarez | Fenerbache | Loan with Option
16. Emerson | Marseille | £1m
17. Aguerd | Marseille | £20m
18. Max Cornet | Genoa | Loan

[Massive Attack]

Mex Martillos heads going to explode soon.  

[El Scorchio]

I thought Wrexham will get found out this season as reaching far beyond their spending power, depressing to see they've spent more than us

They could probably give us a decent game to be honest. I might even be glad to swap a player or two with them.

[El Scorchio]

 

As much as Sulivan is ultimately to blame just as any chairman is, the situation isn’t totally out of Potters control. More importantly, if you take on a job with the visibility a football manager has compared to other forms of work, well, you’re far more to blame than most other managers coming into new roles.

Thats why it was always baffling when Loppy had been “watching West Ham for months” yet puts out a batshit crazy team. Thats on him. It’s called “due diligence” I believe, and unlike most jobs coaches know a lot about the teams they are inheriting. 

Not all chairman and bosses are helpful, but that’s the fucking job. Thats why you get millions a year and compensation if they boot you out. I cant hear excuses for Potter, I really can’t.
Unless half your squad dropped dead somewhere what is the excuse? I’m not interested in “youth aren’t ready” when Barca are out there playing 15,16 and 17 yr olds in Champions League games. The Brazillian guy we got was a 1st team player in Brazil along with some other lads who have played in Europe now. 

I just think that people rationalise whats going on instead of just looking at it objectively. He isnt a good coach at this level. End of story. If he was his record would show that. He has had the necessary time to show his coaching skill. He’s been at a rich club with resources and he still wasnt good. And if you dont think ego’s and spite etc. are not part of a managers tool box, you only have to look at Alex Fergusson who was a master at that shit. He got rid of great players (Stam, Keane etc) because to him, controlling the team psychologically was more important than how skillfull each player was.

I just saw newly promoted Leeds with Dan fucking James tear Everton apart skill wise. You cant tell me that our squad cannot play good football. It’s the fucking manager. Not Sullivan. You cant say “he’s selling our best players, it’s Sullivan a fault” because Potter had the same players for 6 months and done fuck all. He even had Fullkrug which Loppy couldn’t use. He also took Kudus’ money and bought a GK, and two wingbacks to show what’s more important to him.

People were saying the same thing about Steve Bruce. Oh it’s not his fault blah blah. Swapped him with an actual good coach, with the same players (I think all they got in was trippier) and they were in the top 6 after flirting with relegation. It’s always the coach.

We cant do anything about Sullivan. But Potter can go if he doesnt sort out his shit very fucking fast. He has no excuses. Even he knows it which is why he just waffles all the fucking time.

[sorry for the war and peace, he just annoys me. TLDR: Potter is crap]

 

You could accuse them of picking their jobs badly. But I'm sure Sullivan was flagrantly lying to their faces about what sort of backing they could expect to get them to sign on the dotted line. To be fair Lop was at least halfway backed and bought some total shit although still had to put up with the obligatory Sullivan specials all the while Stiedten was trying to fill his separate brief as well. That's not a recipe for disaster at all. Lop got to buy half a team (badly) and failed. Potter hasn't even had that. They've let him have a left back and a goalie so far while getting rid of over half a dozen players for virtually fuck all such is the collossal amount of shit stinking up our dressing room. We're trying to get rid of half a dozen more but no-one wants them. If that doesn't tell you something...

As I keep saying I'll see what happens if and when they actually furnish him with a functional midfield. There's no chance of replacing any of the shit at centre back that the previous managers brought in. We are brutally shit all through the spine of the team. These are absolutely worse players than at Newcastle. Howe also has been heavily backed by his owners what would have been the equivalent of this window, and we all knew Steve Bruce was way out of his depth there in the first place. Not sure what saying Everton are fucking shit as well actually proves.

Getting rid of Potter won't change a thing. It'll just cause even more chaos and damage lurching from one short sighted half arsed appointment to the next. It'll be someone else cheap who has to deal with even less backing and probably an even shitter squad.

 

Sullivan isn’t lying to anyone. They know what he’s about. They come into this job with their eyes open. I think you don’t get that there are only 20 PL management jobs in the world. This is the top league in the world. Managers are BEGGING for these roles. Only decorated managers like Conte are telling PL clubs to fuck off. 

also, Newcastle didn’t spend much money at all when they got Howe. He coached his way out of the crap. Didn’t spend much at all. 

And can we please stop saying every manager “needs their own squad”. It’s utter bollocks. It’s become some fashion statement. No other leagues think like that. It’s wrong. In other countries they have DOF’s mostly so no coach gets to have their own players before they do anything useful. It’s just a lie. 
. 

Every manager does need their own squad or at least some significant update to it when the players he inherits aren't capable of doing the owner has brought said manager in to do. The reason why so many managers can slot in quite nicely is their owners have put together a system of which the manager is a part, picked to fit what the club is trying to do to ensure continuity of style and success. We are just drunkenly lurching all over the place with our last three managers wildly differing in terms of how they want to try and achieve success on the pitch. This requires a change in personnel each time which is simply not happening here. Half the squad are Moyes players incapable of playing how Lop or Potter want. This is a huge problem and requires backing financially to address- far more than has been made available. It's 100% not a lie, it's just another indication of how badly West Ham are run from boardroom level downward.

If managers are begging for Premier league roles, then how come a plethora of 'better' managers didn't fall over themselves for the job after Moyes or Lop? How come we don't just have the world's best 20 coaches plying their trade here? How come Moyes is employed here? Scott Parker, Keith Andrews? Not to mention recent managers like Dyche or multiple failures like Lampard? That's just a nonsense statement. It also stands to reason then that if Potter is that bad why did we employ him and not one of the world class managers knocking Sullivan's door down? If the answer is because he's cheap, then that's on Sullivan once again for wrecking our club.

As for saying Sullivan isn't lying to anyone... come on.

[Mr Anon]

I thought Wrexham will get found out this season as reaching far beyond their spending power, depressing to see they've spent more than us

[threesixty]

No I can't, because he wouldn't be a football manager for very long if that were the case and we all know Sullivan has outrageous form for fucking his managers about and dealing in half measures. He wants you to think Potter is the cause of the problems because then you're not looking at him. Hook line and sinker. The managers are a succession of fall guys.
As I said, if he gets the midfielders he wants with no half measures or compromises, I think it'll look different. However I think he'll get one midfielder he wants and one half measure. And so it will go on. Sullivan short changing his managers and chucking them under the bus if and when it goes wrong.

 

As much as Sulivan is ultimately to blame just as any chairman is, the situation isn’t totally out of Potters control. More importantly, if you take on a job with the visibility a football manager has compared to other forms of work, well, you’re far more to blame than most other managers coming into new roles.

Thats why it was always baffling when Loppy had been “watching West Ham for months” yet puts out a batshit crazy team. Thats on him. It’s called “due diligence” I believe, and unlike most jobs coaches know a lot about the teams they are inheriting. 

Not all chairman and bosses are helpful, but that’s the fucking job. Thats why you get millions a year and compensation if they boot you out. I cant hear excuses for Potter, I really can’t.
Unless half your squad dropped dead somewhere what is the excuse? I’m not interested in “youth aren’t ready” when Barca are out there playing 15,16 and 17 yr olds in Champions League games. The Brazillian guy we got was a 1st team player in Brazil along with some other lads who have played in Europe now. 

I just think that people rationalise whats going on instead of just looking at it objectively. He isnt a good coach at this level. End of story. If he was his record would show that. He has had the necessary time to show his coaching skill. He’s been at a rich club with resources and he still wasnt good. And if you dont think ego’s and spite etc. are not part of a managers tool box, you only have to look at Alex Fergusson who was a master at that shit. He got rid of great players (Stam, Keane etc) because to him, controlling the team psychologically was more important than how skillfull each player was.

I just saw newly promoted Leeds with Dan fucking James tear Everton apart skill wise. You cant tell me that our squad cannot play good football. It’s the fucking manager. Not Sullivan. You cant say “he’s selling our best players, it’s Sullivan a fault” because Potter had the same players for 6 months and done fuck all. He even had Fullkrug which Loppy couldn’t use. He also took Kudus’ money and bought a GK, and two wingbacks to show what’s more important to him.

People were saying the same thing about Steve Bruce. Oh it’s not his fault blah blah. Swapped him with an actual good coach, with the same players (I think all they got in was trippier) and they were in the top 6 after flirting with relegation. It’s always the coach.

We cant do anything about Sullivan. But Potter can go if he doesnt sort out his shit very fucking fast. He has no excuses. Even he knows it which is why he just waffles all the fucking time.

[sorry for the war and peace, he just annoys me. TLDR: Potter is crap]

 

You could accuse them of picking their jobs badly. But I'm sure Sullivan was flagrantly lying to their faces about what sort of backing they could expect to get them to sign on the dotted line. To be fair Lop was at least halfway backed and bought some total shit although still had to put up with the obligatory Sullivan specials all the while Stiedten was trying to fill his separate brief as well. That's not a recipe for disaster at all. Lop got to buy half a team (badly) and failed. Potter hasn't even had that. They've let him have a left back and a goalie so far while getting rid of over half a dozen players for virtually fuck all such is the collossal amount of shit stinking up our dressing room. We're trying to get rid of half a dozen more but no-one wants them. If that doesn't tell you something...

As I keep saying I'll see what happens if and when they actually furnish him with a functional midfield. There's no chance of replacing any of the shit at centre back that the previous managers brought in. We are brutally shit all through the spine of the team. These are absolutely worse players than at Newcastle. Howe also has been heavily backed by his owners what would have been the equivalent of this window, and we all knew Steve Bruce was way out of his depth there in the first place. Not sure what saying Everton are fucking shit as well actually proves.

Getting rid of Potter won't change a thing. It'll just cause even more chaos and damage lurching from one short sighted half arsed appointment to the next. It'll be someone else cheap who has to deal with even less backing and probably an even shitter squad.

 

 

Sullivan isn’t lying to anyone. They know what he’s about. They come into this job with their eyes open. I think you don’t get that there are only 20 PL management jobs in the world. This is the top league in the world. Managers are BEGGING for these roles. Only decorated managers like Conte are telling PL clubs to fuck off. 

also, Newcastle didn’t spend much money at all when they got Howe. He coached his way out of the crap. Didn’t spend much at all. 

And can we please stop saying every manager “needs their own squad”. It’s utter bollocks. It’s become some fashion statement. No other leagues think like that. It’s wrong. In other countries they have DOF’s mostly so no coach gets to have their own players before they do anything useful. It’s just a lie. 
. 

[twoleftfeet]

If potter shifts Alvarez and get's Santos on loan and buys Mukau I'll be happy

 
Is this the same Santos who went on loan to Forest and played 1 game in 5 months? Very JWP like.

[Massive Attack]

Is it WHO can write the longest post competition day?
I cannot handle reading that much, fucking crap.

So many words just to say we are screwed.

[Barty888]

If potter shifts Alvarez and get's Santos on loan and buys Mukau I'll be happy

[El Scorchio]

 

This is called a “coping mechanism”. In your head you can’t believe a football manager would make such poor choices without serious extenuating circumstances. I get it. Potter doesn’t explain ANYTHING football wise in any interview or press conference on purpose, so he can allow this coping mechanism to flourish in our minds.

But the truth will set you free! Time reveals all etc,, and it’s 8 months in. And this is what we have.

I remember when Moyes did an interview and he said he rejected Man City/Ateltico’s Alvarez. My jaw dropped. He literally thought a 30+ yr old Antonio was a better forward than Alvarez who went on to win the PL, the South American cup and the World Cup.

I then realised that sometimes you get into management positions in football because your ego is the size of a pickup truck and you believe your own PR a bit too much. And you will do ANYTHING to protect your ego and the perception that you are right all the time. And thats the reason so many of them make decisions that seem utterly baffling, week after week. I’m seeing the same in Potter. I hope he goes guns blazing at Chelsea and realises that he HAS to show the fans he is doing EVERYTHING to turn it around and would rather go out blazing than this tepid side to side crab football shit he has devised.

Fingers crossed all my comments are utterly misplaced…

No I can't, because he wouldn't be a football manager for very long if that were the case and we all know Sullivan has outrageous form for fucking his managers about and dealing in half measures. He wants you to think Potter is the cause of the problems because then you're not looking at him. Hook line and sinker. The managers are a succession of fall guys.
As I said, if he gets the midfielders he wants with no half measures or compromises, I think it'll look different. However I think he'll get one midfielder he wants and one half measure. And so it will go on. Sullivan short changing his managers and chucking them under the bus if and when it goes wrong.

 

As much as Sulivan is ultimately to blame just as any chairman is, the situation isn’t totally out of Potters control. More importantly, if you take on a job with the visibility a football manager has compared to other forms of work, well, you’re far more to blame than most other managers coming into new roles.

Thats why it was always baffling when Loppy had been “watching West Ham for months” yet puts out a batshit crazy team. Thats on him. It’s called “due diligence” I believe, and unlike most jobs coaches know a lot about the teams they are inheriting. 

Not all chairman and bosses are helpful, but that’s the fucking job. Thats why you get millions a year and compensation if they boot you out. I cant hear excuses for Potter, I really can’t.
Unless half your squad dropped dead somewhere what is the excuse? I’m not interested in “youth aren’t ready” when Barca are out there playing 15,16 and 17 yr olds in Champions League games. The Brazillian guy we got was a 1st team player in Brazil along with some other lads who have played in Europe now. 

I just think that people rationalise whats going on instead of just looking at it objectively. He isnt a good coach at this level. End of story. If he was his record would show that. He has had the necessary time to show his coaching skill. He’s been at a rich club with resources and he still wasnt good. And if you dont think ego’s and spite etc. are not part of a managers tool box, you only have to look at Alex Fergusson who was a master at that shit. He got rid of great players (Stam, Keane etc) because to him, controlling the team psychologically was more important than how skillfull each player was.

I just saw newly promoted Leeds with Dan fucking James tear Everton apart skill wise. You cant tell me that our squad cannot play good football. It’s the fucking manager. Not Sullivan. You cant say “he’s selling our best players, it’s Sullivan a fault” because Potter had the same players for 6 months and done fuck all. He even had Fullkrug which Loppy couldn’t use. He also took Kudus’ money and bought a GK, and two wingbacks to show what’s more important to him.

People were saying the same thing about Steve Bruce. Oh it’s not his fault blah blah. Swapped him with an actual good coach, with the same players (I think all they got in was trippier) and they were in the top 6 after flirting with relegation. It’s always the coach.

We cant do anything about Sullivan. But Potter can go if he doesnt sort out his shit very fucking fast. He has no excuses. Even he knows it which is why he just waffles all the fucking time.

[sorry for the war and peace, he just annoys me. TLDR: Potter is crap]

 

 

You could accuse them of picking their jobs badly. But I'm sure Sullivan was flagrantly lying to their faces about what sort of backing they could expect to get them to sign on the dotted line. To be fair Lop was at least halfway backed and bought some total shit although still had to put up with the obligatory Sullivan specials all the while Stiedten was trying to fill his separate brief as well. That's not a recipe for disaster at all. Lop got to buy half a team (badly) and failed. Potter hasn't even had that. They've let him have a left back and a goalie so far while getting rid of over half a dozen players for virtually fuck all such is the collossal amount of shit stinking up our dressing room. We're trying to get rid of half a dozen more but no-one wants them. If that doesn't tell you something...

As I keep saying I'll see what happens if and when they actually furnish him with a functional midfield. There's no chance of replacing any of the shit at centre back that the previous managers brought in. We are brutally shit all through the spine of the team. These are absolutely worse players than at Newcastle. Howe also has been heavily backed by his owners what would have been the equivalent of this window, and we all knew Steve Bruce was way out of his depth there in the first place. Not sure what saying Everton are fucking shit as well actually proves.

Getting rid of Potter won't change a thing. It'll just cause even more chaos and damage lurching from one short sighted half arsed appointment to the next. It'll be someone else cheap who has to deal with even less backing and probably an even shitter squad.

[twoleftfeet]

Is it WHO can write the longest post competition day?
I cannot handle reading that much, fucking crap.

So many words just to say we are screwed.

[Mex Martillo]

Is it WHO can write the longest post competition day?
I cannot handle reading that much, fucking crap.

[threesixty]

They haven't got him in a single midfielder since he's been here. All they've done is get rid of a few and are looking to get rid of more. If when he eventually gets one which is HIS choice- not Sullivans- and it's a plodder, then I'll say you're correct about this. However it won't be a plodder. It'll be a high energy young player, so I'm very confident I'll be saying you're incorrect about it.

 

This is called a “coping mechanism”. In your head you can’t believe a football manager would make such poor choices without serious extenuating circumstances. I get it. Potter doesn’t explain ANYTHING football wise in any interview or press conference on purpose, so he can allow this coping mechanism to flourish in our minds.

But the truth will set you free! Time reveals all etc,, and it’s 8 months in. And this is what we have.

I remember when Moyes did an interview and he said he rejected Man City/Ateltico’s Alvarez. My jaw dropped. He literally thought a 30+ yr old Antonio was a better forward than Alvarez who went on to win the PL, the South American cup and the World Cup.

I then realised that sometimes you get into management positions in football because your ego is the size of a pickup truck and you believe your own PR a bit too much. And you will do ANYTHING to protect your ego and the perception that you are right all the time. And thats the reason so many of them make decisions that seem utterly baffling, week after week. I’m seeing the same in Potter. I hope he goes guns blazing at Chelsea and realises that he HAS to show the fans he is doing EVERYTHING to turn it around and would rather go out blazing than this tepid side to side crab football shit he has devised.

Fingers crossed all my comments are utterly misplaced…

No I can't, because he wouldn't be a football manager for very long if that were the case and we all know Sullivan has outrageous form for fucking his managers about and dealing in half measures. He wants you to think Potter is the cause of the problems because then you're not looking at him. Hook line and sinker. The managers are a succession of fall guys.
As I said, if he gets the midfielders he wants with no half measures or compromises, I think it'll look different. However I think he'll get one midfielder he wants and one half measure. And so it will go on. Sullivan short changing his managers and chucking them under the bus if and when it goes wrong.

 

 

As much as Sulivan is ultimately to blame just as any chairman is, the situation isn’t totally out of Potters control. More importantly, if you take on a job with the visibility a football manager has compared to other forms of work, well, you’re far more to blame than most other managers coming into new roles.

Thats why it was always baffling when Loppy had been “watching West Ham for months” yet puts out a batshit crazy team. Thats on him. It’s called “due diligence” I believe, and unlike most jobs coaches know a lot about the teams they are inheriting. 

Not all chairman and bosses are helpful, but that’s the fucking job. Thats why you get millions a year and compensation if they boot you out. I cant hear excuses for Potter, I really can’t.
Unless half your squad dropped dead somewhere what is the excuse? I’m not interested in “youth aren’t ready” when Barca are out there playing 15,16 and 17 yr olds in Champions League games. The Brazillian guy we got was a 1st team player in Brazil along with some other lads who have played in Europe now. 

I just think that people rationalise whats going on instead of just looking at it objectively. He isnt a good coach at this level. End of story. If he was his record would show that. He has had the necessary time to show his coaching skill. He’s been at a rich club with resources and he still wasnt good. And if you dont think ego’s and spite etc. are not part of a managers tool box, you only have to look at Alex Fergusson who was a master at that shit. He got rid of great players (Stam, Keane etc) because to him, controlling the team psychologically was more important than how skillfull each player was.

I just saw newly promoted Leeds with Dan fucking James tear Everton apart skill wise. You cant tell me that our squad cannot play good football. It’s the fucking manager. Not Sullivan. You cant say “he’s selling our best players, it’s Sullivan a fault” because Potter had the same players for 6 months and done fuck all. He even had Fullkrug which Loppy couldn’t use. He also took Kudus’ money and bought a GK, and two wingbacks to show what’s more important to him.

People were saying the same thing about Steve Bruce. Oh it’s not his fault blah blah. Swapped him with an actual good coach, with the same players (I think all they got in was trippier) and they were in the top 6 after flirting with relegation. It’s always the coach.

We cant do anything about Sullivan. But Potter can go if he doesnt sort out his shit very fucking fast. He has no excuses. Even he knows it which is why he just waffles all the fucking time.

[sorry for the war and peace, he just annoys me. TLDR: Potter is crap]

[Fauxstralian]

So Brady says Kudus had a poor season so we ‘moved on’
Your choices are 
Acknowledge he is a very talented player and get your manager with a degree in Player Cuddling to get him back on track
OR
Tell everyone we have to sell and ship him out £30m under his buyout when his perceived value is at its lowest ebb

Nailed on he scores a hat-trick against us

Karren Brady … business genius from tvs The Apprentice 
Your FIRED you rancid slag
 

[El Scorchio]

"It’s not actually what Potter wants at all. He actually wants what we are seeing. He doesn't want to create loads of chances. He doesn't want quick transitions. He doesn't want more direct football at all."

Sorry but I think that's crap. To actually believe and say that a coach wants us to play slow boring football is just rubbish. Of course, Potter doesn't want that. In interviews he has even said he wants us to play positive, attacking football with flair, which is what West Ham were once known for.

What he is struggling with is how to get to that. He has a method but its too slow in the process. He may not even have the ability to get there. Yes, he wants a solid back line with one or two solid holding players, but he clearly and obviously wants wide players and attackers to play positive attacking football. 

Yes, its frustrating and infuriating. But to say Potter actually wants and is actively coaching slow boring football is just letting your emotions cloud your logic. 

An interesting look at he opposite ends of the Cock Piss stages of grief.

Russ is still at stage one, denial.

360 has reached stage five, acceptance.

Other's are still bargaining a few signing will fix it. Most are just angry or depressed.

Stop being such a fucking know it all. Like you are some clever bastard that everyone else needs to catch up with. I am not in denial at all. I just made a comment that very clearly Potter doesn't deliberately play slow ponderous football and nor does he want to. Nobody thinks the way we have played under Potter is right and nor does Potter himself. And to say he does is just fucking stupid. 

I also questioned if he has the ability to actually get us playing the way he wants. He certainly doesn't have the players. Abd Potter is proving he doesn't seem to be able to take a group of players and coach them round to his way. But who's fault is that? God knows. Because once again Sullivan the dirty little snivelling cսnt employed the wrong manager and gets the wrong players and leaves everyone wondering who is getting the players.... Is it a Moyes player? A Steidten player? A Potter player? A Sullivan player? That's the fucking game he plays. Because it gives him an out. And when it goes wrong he throws the manager under the bus.

That's the fucking truth of it. Whether you like or not, it was said on another thread, we are all victims of Sullivan. Potter, the players, the supporters. Everyone. And that isn't me feeling sorry for Potter. I didn't want him after Lope and I don't think he's good enough.

But, in the face of it all, people like you fucking slipping around this site trying to score points just makes things worse. 

That's it. If the board had done their homework on Potter before appointing him, then they'd know that they were going to have to make certain changes to the playing squad in order for it to work. If they aren't prepared to or cannot afford to do that, then what's the point of picking him in the first place? Surely go after a manager who plays in a way that matches the profile of the players you've got rather than one that doesn't. Besides that whoever was in charge would say the squad needed a major overhaul this summer. It simply hasn't happened. We've only got three new players in (I'm not even counting that complete cսnt hopalong Wilson whom it disgusts me to see in a West Ham shirt) and one of those was a freebie courtesy of Salthouse. We needed at least five. That was completely obvious to all of us and we'd been saying it for months. We've released a bunch of players because they were old and unwanted- didn't get a penny for any of them, and then been arse raped for Kudus. Not a single club wanted a single one of any of our players yet. Not even the ones we've been touting and who openly want to leave.

This horrendous historical squad management is a massive part of why we are so fucked now as we all know, but it's left us seemingly unable to buy anyone. We probably go into this season weaker then we were 12 months ago, as it stands. Unacceptable. The Rice money completely wasted. A 20 million profit from Kudus which hasn't been reinvested is all we have to show for it. JWP is leaving on a free whenever he goes and Alvarez is going on loan. Absolute embarrassment. Selling a player for 100 million quid and we are skint and worse off 2 years later. Only at West Ham. Kilman- 40 million disaster.

As you say we don't even know for sure who is buying the players. It's pretty easy to guess who wanted who this summer. It's like he HAS to get one for himself for every one he allows his manager to get.

Anyway, we're fucked, Sullivan is a cսnt and if Potter isn't the right fit for the club and squad then it's squarely on them for a) not doing their homework before appointing him b) failing to support their manager once he's in the job yet again c) presiding over such a fucking shithouse squad for the last few years riddled with bad investments

[dealcanvey]

Alvarez out on loan is more crap business from us. Reeks of desperation.

If its true it should not be sanctioned until incomings have arrived. 

[Russ of the BML]

What scares me is that even if we get the midfielders in, it’s not actually what Potter wants at all. He actually wants what we are seeing. He doesnt want to create loads of chances. He doesnt want quick transitions. He doesnt want more direct football at all.

It’s all starting to dawn on me like some horror movie when you get to the final scene and you realise whats happening! 

JWP and Guido are not bugs, they are features of the program. 
He basically thinks his wing backs are the only people that should move forward at any pace, everything else is slow and controlled. And he wants the new keeper simply so he can extend all the passing in our own half and keep the ball more without threatening anything.

He literally would be ecstatic to win all his games 1-0, or draw.

We are so fucked.




 

"It’s not actually what Potter wants at all. He actually wants what we are seeing. He doesn't want to create loads of chances. He doesn't want quick transitions. He doesn't want more direct football at all."

Sorry but I think that's crap. To actually believe and say that a coach wants us to play slow boring football is just rubbish. Of course, Potter doesn't want that. In interviews he has even said he wants us to play positive, attacking football with flair, which is what West Ham were once known for.

What he is struggling with is how to get to that. He has a method but its too slow in the process. He may not even have the ability to get there. Yes, he wants a solid back line with one or two solid holding players, but he clearly and obviously wants wide players and attackers to play positive attacking football. 

Yes, its frustrating and infuriating. But to say Potter actually wants and is actively coaching slow boring football is just letting your emotions cloud your logic. 

An interesting look at he opposite ends of the Cock Piss stages of grief.

Russ is still at stage one, denial.

360 has reached stage five, acceptance.

Other's are still bargaining a few signing will fix it. Most are just angry or depressed.

Stop being such a fucking know it all. Like you are some clever bastard that everyone else needs to catch up with. I am not in denial at all. I just made a comment that very clearly Potter doesn't deliberately play slow ponderous football and nor does he want to. Nobody thinks the way we have played under Potter is right and nor does Potter himself. And to say he does is just fucking stupid. 

I also questioned if he has the ability to actually get us playing the way he wants. He certainly doesn't have the players. Abd Potter is proving he doesn't seem to be able to take a group of players and coach them round to his way. But who's fault is that? God knows. Because once again Sullivan the dirty little snivelling cսnt employed the wrong manager and gets the wrong players and leaves everyone wondering who is getting the players.... Is it a Moyes player? A Steidten player? A Potter player? A Sullivan player? That's the fucking game he plays. Because it gives him an out. And when it goes wrong he throws the manager under the bus.

That's the fucking truth of it. Whether you like or not, it was said on another thread, we are all victims of Sullivan. Potter, the players, the supporters. Everyone. And that isn't me feeling sorry for Potter. I didn't want him after Lope and I don't think he's good enough.

But, in the face of it all, people like you fucking slipping around this site trying to score points just makes things worse. 

[THUNDERCLINT]

They haven't got him in a single midfielder since he's been here. All they've done is get rid of a few and are looking to get rid of more. If when he eventually gets one which is HIS choice- not Sullivans- and it's a plodder, then I'll say you're correct about this. However it won't be a plodder. It'll be a high energy young player, so I'm very confident I'll be saying you're incorrect about it.

 

This is called a “coping mechanism”. In your head you can’t believe a football manager would make such poor choices without serious extenuating circumstances. I get it. Potter doesn’t explain ANYTHING football wise in any interview or press conference on purpose, so he can allow this coping mechanism to flourish in our minds.

But the truth will set you free! Time reveals all etc,, and it’s 8 months in. And this is what we have.

I remember when Moyes did an interview and he said he rejected Man City/Ateltico’s Alvarez. My jaw dropped. He literally thought a 30+ yr old Antonio was a better forward than Alvarez who went on to win the PL, the South American cup and the World Cup.

I then realised that sometimes you get into management positions in football because your ego is the size of a pickup truck and you believe your own PR a bit too much. And you will do ANYTHING to protect your ego and the perception that you are right all the time. And thats the reason so many of them make decisions that seem utterly baffling, week after week. I’m seeing the same in Potter. I hope he goes guns blazing at Chelsea and realises that he HAS to show the fans he is doing EVERYTHING to turn it around and would rather go out blazing than this tepid side to side crab football shit he has devised.

Fingers crossed all my comments are utterly misplaced…

No I can't, because he wouldn't be a football manager for very long.

He won't be.

Chelsea SHOULD have been the end of him.

100% we will be. 

[twoleftfeet]

Wrexham have spent as much as us

[El Scorchio]

 

If it quacks its a duck mate.
Sometimes we over think things. If someone for 8 months has picked the same type of team with the same style of play and then makes JWP vice captain in the area where we need speed then its pretty obvious to me this is what he wants.

If he wanted something different he has had 2 windows to find it. He has Potts & Fearon as well. If he desperately needed to change it he could bring AWB centrally and put KWP as right wing back. He has options all over the fucking place. 

The reality is THIS is how he thinks football should be played. He’s had 8 months now, what dont you believe from your own eyes?

In some ways it’s classic Serie A style football from the 90s. Maybe he thinks it’s a counter to the way other PL teams work and he thinks that’s the best way to be successful. Whatever his reasons, how can you conclude any different from what he’s throwing out on the pitch week after week?

They haven't got him in a single midfielder since he's been here. All they've done is get rid of a few and are looking to get rid of more. If when he eventually gets one which is HIS choice- not Sullivans- and it's a plodder, then I'll say you're correct about this. However it won't be a plodder. It'll be a high energy young player, so I'm very confident I'll be saying you're incorrect about it.

 

This is called a “coping mechanism”. In your head you can’t believe a football manager would make such poor choices without serious extenuating circumstances. I get it. Potter doesn’t explain ANYTHING football wise in any interview or press conference on purpose, so he can allow this coping mechanism to flourish in our minds.

But the truth will set you free! Time reveals all etc,, and it’s 8 months in. And this is what we have.

I remember when Moyes did an interview and he said he rejected Man City/Ateltico’s Alvarez. My jaw dropped. He literally thought a 30+ yr old Antonio was a better forward than Alvarez who went on to win the PL, the South American cup and the World Cup.

I then realised that sometimes you get into management positions in football because your ego is the size of a pickup truck and you believe your own PR a bit too much. And you will do ANYTHING to protect your ego and the perception that you are right all the time. And thats the reason so many of them make decisions that seem utterly baffling, week after week. I’m seeing the same in Potter. I hope he goes guns blazing at Chelsea and realises that he HAS to show the fans he is doing EVERYTHING to turn it around and would rather go out blazing than this tepid side to side crab football shit he has devised.

Fingers crossed all my comments are utterly misplaced…

No I can't, because he wouldn't be a football manager for very long if that were the case and we all know Sullivan has outrageous form for fucking his managers about and dealing in half measures. He wants you to think Potter is the cause of the problems because then you're not looking at him. Hook line and sinker. The managers are a succession of fall guys.
As I said, if he gets the midfielders he wants with no half measures or compromises, I think it'll look different. However I think he'll get one midfielder he wants and one half measure. And so it will go on. Sullivan short changing his managers and chucking them under the bus if and when it goes wrong.

[El Scorchio]

I'm still not convinced this wasn't by design that Potter was happy to spend all the Kudus money straight away on a new Left Back we didn't urgently need or a new expensive Keeper. If his main priority was a quality Midfielder, then that should have been his main objective yet we've fannied about looking at them, to the extent we are now seriously considering a Belgium lad who we only stumbled upon by chance in our last Pre-Season Friendly, Moo-cow or whatever his name is. That should be your first alarm bell going off.  

Fair play. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit but I can't imagine he'd say to Sullivan 'get a left back in immediately, then go and see your mate Will, then get me a goalie on the even of the season and wait until the last week to get me a midfielder.' He'll have wanted them all in at least a month ago to actually have a full preseason with them. We know Sullivan has form for leaving these things as late as possible especially if it's decent money.

[threesixty]

"It’s not actually what Potter wants at all. He actually wants what we are seeing. He doesn't want to create loads of chances. He doesn't want quick transitions. He doesn't want more direct football at all."

Sorry but I think that's crap. To actually believe and say that a coach wants us to play slow boring football is just rubbish. Of course, Potter doesn't want that. In interviews he has even said he wants us to play positive, attacking football with flair, which is what West Ham were once known for.

What he is struggling with is how to get to that. He has a method but its too slow in the process. He may not even have the ability to get there. Yes, he wants a solid back line with one or two solid holding players, but he clearly and obviously wants wide players and attackers to play positive attacking football. 

Yes, its frustrating and infuriating. But to say Potter actually wants and is actively coaching slow boring football is just letting your emotions cloud your logic. 

 

If it quacks its a duck mate.
Sometimes we over think things. If someone for 8 months has picked the same type of team with the same style of play and then makes JWP vice captain in the area where we need speed then its pretty obvious to me this is what he wants.

If he wanted something different he has had 2 windows to find it. He has Potts & Fearon as well. If he desperately needed to change it he could bring AWB centrally and put KWP as right wing back. He has options all over the fucking place. 

The reality is THIS is how he thinks football should be played. He’s had 8 months now, what dont you believe from your own eyes?

In some ways it’s classic Serie A style football from the 90s. Maybe he thinks it’s a counter to the way other PL teams work and he thinks that’s the best way to be successful. Whatever his reasons, how can you conclude any different from what he’s throwing out on the pitch week after week?

They haven't got him in a single midfielder since he's been here. All they've done is get rid of a few and are looking to get rid of more. If when he eventually gets one which is HIS choice- not Sullivans- and it's a plodder, then I'll say you're correct about this. However it won't be a plodder. It'll be a high energy young player, so I'm very confident I'll be saying you're incorrect about it.

 

 

This is called a “coping mechanism”. In your head you can’t believe a football manager would make such poor choices without serious extenuating circumstances. I get it. Potter doesn’t explain ANYTHING football wise in any interview or press conference on purpose, so he can allow this coping mechanism to flourish in our minds.

But the truth will set you free! Time reveals all etc,, and it’s 8 months in. And this is what we have.

I remember when Moyes did an interview and he said he rejected Man City/Ateltico’s Alvarez. My jaw dropped. He literally thought a 30+ yr old Antonio was a better forward than Alvarez who went on to win the PL, the South American cup and the World Cup.

I then realised that sometimes you get into management positions in football because your ego is the size of a pickup truck and you believe your own PR a bit too much. And you will do ANYTHING to protect your ego and the perception that you are right all the time. And thats the reason so many of them make decisions that seem utterly baffling, week after week. I’m seeing the same in Potter. I hope he goes guns blazing at Chelsea and realises that he HAS to show the fans he is doing EVERYTHING to turn it around and would rather go out blazing than this tepid side to side crab football shit he has devised.

Fingers crossed all my comments are utterly misplaced…

[Massive Attack]

I'm still not convinced this wasn't by design that Potter was happy to spend all the Kudus money straight away on a new Left Back we didn't urgently need or a new expensive Keeper. If his main priority was a quality Midfielder, then that should have been his main objective yet we've fannied about looking at them, to the extent we are now seriously considering a Belgium lad who we only stumbled upon by chance in our last Pre-Season Friendly, Moo-cow or whatever his name is. That should be your first alarm bell going off.  

[El Scorchio]

Yeah, whatever you say Wicked Witch of the West Ham.



As for moving on Kudus this summer, no one will convince me that was the right thing to do. Sure he was a pain in the arse but under the right management he would flourish and would be a serious asset to have in anyone's side. What you don't do is flog him on the relative cheap when his potential is so much higher. Dogshit Economics. And certainly not to your fierce London rivals!

 

 

Sickening isn't it. It's just lies to save admitting that we flogged him to a club they swore we wouldn't do business with again because we were desperate for cash due to horrific financial mismanagement on their part, and Levy had Sullivan's bollocks in a vice over it after they wrongly gambled there would be a bidding war for the bloke.

To say he's crap to boot is just incredible. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

..."[Kudus] didn't have a particularly good season for West Ham last year by his own standards. So we looked to move on," she said."...

And why didn't he have a particularly good season?

Because he was surrounded by dross and managed by dross.

Who was responsible for that?

[El Scorchio]

 

If it quacks its a duck mate.
Sometimes we over think things. If someone for 8 months has picked the same type of team with the same style of play and then makes JWP vice captain in the area where we need speed then its pretty obvious to me this is what he wants.

If he wanted something different he has had 2 windows to find it. He has Potts & Fearon as well. If he desperately needed to change it he could bring AWB centrally and put KWP as right wing back. He has options all over the fucking place. 

The reality is THIS is how he thinks football should be played. He’s had 8 months now, what dont you believe from your own eyes?

In some ways it’s classic Serie A style football from the 90s. Maybe he thinks it’s a counter to the way other PL teams work and he thinks that’s the best way to be successful. Whatever his reasons, how can you conclude any different from what he’s throwing out on the pitch week after week?

They haven't got him in a single midfielder since he's been here. All they've done is get rid of a few and are looking to get rid of more. If when he eventually gets one which is HIS choice- not Sullivans- and it's a plodder, then I'll say you're correct about this. However it won't be a plodder. It'll be a high energy young player, so I'm very confident I'll be saying you're incorrect about it.

*Correction

Potter chose ​​to prioritise the Kudus money on a new Left-Back and Goalkeeper first. If he was so keen to get in a new Midfielder then he would have prioritised accordingly. And even when he has a promising young Midfielder in Potts, he bottled to start him. 

 

 

I think they only came first because in the board's mind they were cheaper/easier targets and would placate/distract fans. All we know is they were bought in first by Sullivan- not that they were Potter's top priority. And probably because he thought it would be easier to bully Slavia and Leicester into favourable deals for us. We still fucked about for ages getting Hermansen when it was clear weeks and weeks before that it was the player Potter wanted. He won't have asked Sullivan to wait until after almost all of preseason with everything else in place. Sullivan just HAD to try and play hardball with Leicester. For once it actually worked financially but fucking hell it took ages to get him in.

He was always going to dither all summer getting Potter his midfielder(s) especially if they were for serious money. You can bet your arse if Potter had any interest in Brownhill or someone else cheap he'd have been in before the end of July. Why did Wilson come in relatively early? Cheap.
He's just reluctant to open his wallet if he's not going to 'win' the transfer deal. The common factor in all three so far? He's 'won' the deals financially and I bet he's especially proud of gaslighting the Brazilian goalkeeper at the same time to put the frighteners on Leicester so they caved. Run like a scolded cat from Fernandes after Southampton didn't just crumble at his first offer, though. I reckon we probably end up getting him right at deadline day for 40 million after he's exhausted all possibility of getting any sort of concession out of Southampton. Maybe we get one other as well. 

But I have strong doubts Sullivan prioritised his deals based on what the manager wanted first. Purely on how he could get his shopping the cheapest way possible.