The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[twoleftfeet]

Starmer criticising yesterdays march.

less arrests than at the Notting Hill Carnival, will he condemn that? 

[Come On You Irons]

I see the fake, plastic Aussie Sven is making even more of a fool of himself than usual on here. What a tool.

[Mad Dog]

I'm sick of hearing people throw around Hitler and nazi as throw away insults.  Grow up you tit, its saying things like this that is causing extremism on both sides.  If you think kirk or anyone on this forum is an actual nazi you're deluded

also any actual proof the shooter was far right just because people related to him were republican?  Reports i saw said he was in a relationship with a trans which leads me to think he would have rejected his family background.  

Also well played to the family for helping being him to justice 

[Mike Oxsaw]

I’m not keen on Nazi supporters. Intolerant & narrow minded? So be it
Though of course if that’s your bag knock yourself out

If you do support Adolf & his crowd at least own it
Kirk’s problem is that he ran into an even more extreme right wing nutter
Unlucky for him for being so half hearted

I rest my case.

Your thoughts don't align 100% with mine (MINE!!!) then you're a Nazi. That - and only that - is the message you're giving out.

[Fauxstralian]

I’m not keen on Nazi supporters. Intolerant & narrow minded? So be it
Though of course if that’s your bag knock yourself out

If you do support Adolf & his crowd at least own it
Kirk’s problem is that he ran into an even more extreme right wing nutter
Unlucky for him for being so half hearted

[Mike Oxsaw]

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions as long as they don’t impose them on others 

Some of Kirk’s opinions:
Abortion (even for 10yo rape victims) is worse than the holocaust 
Jewish money has ruined American culture
Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer & the loving father of 6 children 

Am getting a vibe here

Yeah. The vibe is that you're an intolerant, narrow-minded, easily led bigot.

Have I missed anything?

[Fauxstralian]

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions as long as they don’t impose them on others 

Some of Kirk’s opinions:
Abortion (even for 10yo rape victims) is worse than the holocaust 
Jewish money has ruined American culture
Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer & the loving father of 6 children 

Am getting a vibe here

[OK_Guy]

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.

defacing monuments, hurling abuse at anyone who disagrees with them, fighting & abusing Police officers, calls for the killing of another people, urinating up buildings & monuments, covering their faces like cowards, funded by the Gov. (Hope not Hate), MSN distorting the news because it doesn't fit the narrative... remind you of the Palestinian marches?

for what I saw, the only violence yesterday was instigated by the Police, the March was peaceful, with lots of women, children & disabled people (& men) and there wasn't any paid attendees from UNITE Union.

did it achieve anything?, probably not... it's the same outcome as a Palestine march, people are still staving, bombs are still falling, terrorist are still holding hostages... and people still ignore the conflict in Sudan which is way more desperate than Gaza but hey, it's Muslims doing the killing/genocide (funded by the UAE) but that's ok because it's 'Allah's will'.

[Mike Oxsaw]

He is entitled to his views
I think abortion is a right of women 
Worse than the holocaust?
You?

 

1. What can I (or even powerful, alpha-male you) do about the Holocaust (it is capitalised for a very good reason),
2. What can I (or even powerful, alpha-male you) do about the rights of women?

What is worse, a train or a yacht?

[Mad Dog]

All of this reminds me of a joke i once read

Woman speaking to a man and he says "i believe women should remain in the home and obey their husband, i believe being gay is disgusting should have remained illegal in this country and jews are evil"
Horrified she replied "oh you must be a trump supporter then bigot"
"No no, im a muslim" he answered
She said "oh thats fine then, youre entitled to your beliefs" 

[Mad Dog]

I believe abortion should remain legal (but not readily available as merely contraception)

Kirk believed that at the moment of conception the foetus was a baby and had a soul.  Although i disagree I understand why he and others are anti it.  

[BRANDED]

Everyone is welcome to their opinions so long as I dont have to pay for them. 

[Fauxstralian]

He is entitled to his views
I think abortion is a right of women 
Worse than the holocaust?
You?

[Mike Oxsaw]

He is saying allowing women control of their bodies is WORSE than 6 million Jews being murdered by the Nazis
Agree?

Stop being such a fucking drama queen.

You are giving the impression that he is not entitled to his own personal views and opinions if you don't 100% approve of them.

They are his views, and they may well be identical to the views of hundreds/thousands/millions of others, none of whom I need agree with, yet would never try to forbid them holding.

[Fauxstralian]

He is saying allowing women control of their bodies is WORSE than 6 million Jews being murdered by the Nazis
Agree?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Just saw another Kirk clip 
Was asked if he had said abortion was as bad as the holocaust 
Its WORSE was his reply 

Of course he also said if a 10 year old was raped they should have to have the baby

Oh and his reaction to Taylor Swift getting engaged?
She should submit to her husband as she isn’t in charge any more
ha ha ha 



 

 

 

Given that the Holocaust is a (long) past event that we cannot change and preventing a raped 10 year old giving birth some time in the next (future) 9 months is an outcome that can be changed/influenced, I can see where that comparison - albeit erroneous - comes from.

A far better parallel would be: "If this raped 10 year old does not proceed to full term and produce a baby, 6 million living Jews (and a few others - yet to be determined) will instantly be murdered."

If those are the only 2 options, which is the better?.

[violator]

. A load of shouty extremist Stella drinkers looking for a ruck,  who hate people who opposed their views

Sounds a lot like antifa

[Fauxstralian]

Just saw another Kirk clip 
Was asked if he had said abortion was as bad as the holocaust 
Its WORSE was his reply 

Of course he also said if a 10 year old was raped they should have to have the baby

Oh and his reaction to Taylor Swift getting engaged?
She should submit to her husband as she isn’t in charge any more
ha ha ha 

 

[goose]

The point being that the shitness of this country is very little to do with illegal immigration.

doesn’t mean it’s not worth solving though.

[Mike Oxsaw]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.

Get shot of the illegals the instant they arrive and none of this would be happening.

There might be protests about other failings of the state, but no illegals on UK soil means no protests about illegals on UK soil.

How difficult a concept is that to grasp, whichever way your politics drag you?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Can you point me at the overwhelming media coverage of ‘
the ‘welcome all illegals’ views?

 

If that was aimed at me, can you please point out where I said the media coverage  was "overwhelming"?

[Mad Dog]

"Are you saying he has been misrepresented in his views on gays, the role of women, blacks, the intelligence of blacks , the importance of gun ownership & the insignificance of deaths caused etc etc"

In a lot of cases, yes.  Media are cherry picking parts of quotes in many of these cases to try to make him sound a lot worse than he was

Dave Rubin for example os another political commentator and he and his husband were good friends with kirk and his wife.  His issue with thr black community wasn't race it was that  fatherless families had led to a disproportionate crime rate etc.

He was a devout Christian and promoted Christian values such as thr family unit.

I didnt agree with a lot of his views (abortion and guns especially) but he was entitled to them.  And none of them deserved a bullet

[BRANDED]

Less than 50% of people pay income tax. Most at this march would have been tax payers. They would prefer their taxes going to keeping them safe from masked antifa vigilantes than marches for arabs. 

I was in town after the game and the people I saw were the most ordinary middle class and working class people you will ever meet. 
 

[Mad Dog]

Faux being the son of a trump fan does not make the shooter automatically a trump fan 

[One Sunny Day]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.