The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Mike Oxsaw]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.

Get shot of the illegals the instant they arrive and none of this would be happening.

There might be protests about other failings of the state, but no illegals on UK soil means no protests about illegals on UK soil.

How difficult a concept is that to grasp, whichever way your politics drag you?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Can you point me at the overwhelming media coverage of ‘
the ‘welcome all illegals’ views?

 

If that was aimed at me, can you please point out where I said the media coverage  was "overwhelming"?

[Mad Dog]

"Are you saying he has been misrepresented in his views on gays, the role of women, blacks, the intelligence of blacks , the importance of gun ownership & the insignificance of deaths caused etc etc"

In a lot of cases, yes.  Media are cherry picking parts of quotes in many of these cases to try to make him sound a lot worse than he was

Dave Rubin for example os another political commentator and he and his husband were good friends with kirk and his wife.  His issue with thr black community wasn't race it was that  fatherless families had led to a disproportionate crime rate etc.

He was a devout Christian and promoted Christian values such as thr family unit.

I didnt agree with a lot of his views (abortion and guns especially) but he was entitled to them.  And none of them deserved a bullet

[BRANDED]

Less than 50% of people pay income tax. Most at this march would have been tax payers. They would prefer their taxes going to keeping them safe from masked antifa vigilantes than marches for arabs. 

I was in town after the game and the people I saw were the most ordinary middle class and working class people you will ever meet. 
 

[Mad Dog]

Faux being the son of a trump fan does not make the shooter automatically a trump fan 

[One Sunny Day]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.

[Lee Trundle]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

[One Sunny Day]

You know,  my feelings watching the march, as a left winger who can disagree with but respect moderate right wingers-
It was supposed to be about unity but I saw the opposite of that. A load of shouty extremist Stella drinkers looking for a ruck,  who hate people who opposed their views, along with a load of fairly normal types who had fallen for all the flag waving and blaming everything on immigrants.
The truth is that if Farage and company get in and by some miracle get rid of all the asylum seekers, in their first couple of weeks, the money they will save is miniscule and not nearly enough to sort out the real problems that matter, you know, housing, the NHS, the cost of living and education. Those are the things that are in crisis and, like I'm sure most here want, are the priorities. Unfortunately there isn't a quick fix and starting on immigrants and Muslims isn't going to help matters.
For a march, supposedly about making Britain great again, it's laughable, if it wasn't so serious, to see a crowd cheering on a live stream from a foreigner, Elon Musk, trying to incite civil war in this country. Also ridiculous seeing people moaning about lefties celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, cheering a guy directly calling for the assasination of Kier Starmer, a guy who has directly condemned and mourned his killing.
If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

[Lee Trundle]

Can you point me at the overwhelming media coverage of ‘
the ‘welcome all illegals’ views?


 

https://news.sky.com/video/abbott-calls ... d-13429850

[Sydney_Iron]

Seen all the stuff about Kirk being homophobic, anti Trans etc etc, this clip well and truly kicks that out the park.

[Fauxstralian]

Can you point me at the overwhelming media coverage of ‘
the ‘welcome all illegals’ views?

Jaan
All of Kirk’s views & outpourings have been reported via his podcasts/tiktok/public events etc
Are you saying he has been misrepresented in his views on gays, the role of women, blacks, the intelligence of blacks , the importance of gun ownership & the insignificance of deaths caused etc etc
Appears a bit ironic that he has been killed by a gun loving son of Trump fanatics for not being extreme enough. Despite the killer having a trans ‘room mate’. Who are we supposed to be praying for now?
Right wing Team Kirk or Extreme Right wing Team Robinson
Has Tommy decided yet?
 

[Mike Oxsaw]

I note that (all) the MSM are focussing on "the violence" and trying to play down the size of the march.

It was inevitable that rent-a-mob would turn up and kick things off  - anything to have a pop at plod for them, whatever the occasion. Perfect for a bit of "black flag", too - not that I'm suggesting the state resort to such a thing when it comes to ensuring the safety of our women & children.

I would have expected a far bigger turn out at the "Welcome all illegals" rally, given the media minutes/column inches that part of society generates.

[Mr Anon]

Now they are quoting “FBI sources” so it remains to be seen if this is fake news or not.

Nut it is being reported by more than one source

lol, you were so desperate for the shooter to be trans, looks like you've settled for the next best thing

[Nutsin]

Now they are quoting “FBI sources” so it remains to be seen if this is fake news or not.

Nut it is being reported by more than one source

[Nutsin]

[OK_Guy]

I made an error in my previous post, it was UtK supporters in the Square not the Barcodes, I mistook the video when searching the incident... my humble apologies.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

I take Mr Kirk at his reported comments & beliefs 

 

Yeah. Reported by left wing sources that repeatedly called him fascist, which lead to the words on the bullet casings.

There isn't anything about him that was fascist. He dedicated his life to creating dialogue and not just welcomed opposing views for debate but told those people that they could be front in line to do so. 

[OK_Guy]

You seem very anti free speech there F129
Tommy Cholmondley-Warner won’t be happy with you

The estimate of crowds today appear to be reported as 150,000
Apart from GB News going as high as 1 million
Presume they use the same calculator when trying to estimate their viewing figures

I watched it via YouTube, there was well over 500k at the event, have a look at the ariel-videos of the march (they've been doctored obviously)... the last thing the Establishment want is the 'true number' to be known, the BBC/Guardian stated earlier that the Police estimated it was 100k, then 110k and now 150k.

Same with the violence reported, Police in heavy riot gear charged into people, there was no real reason for it, people were trying to link-up with the Newcastle fans occupying Trafalgar Square (it was rammed with the fat gutted barcodes), the Left/Antifa were not involved (they were sensible as were everyone else)... one old guy got beat-up by five Plod, one kicking in the head, ambulance was called he was in a bad way... don't let the MSN narrative get in the way of actual facts, go look on YouTube.

Before you presume, I think politics is dogshit left or right.

[Fauxstralian]

You seem very anti free speech there F129
Tommy Cholmondley-Warner won’t be happy with you

The estimate of crowds today appear to be reported as 150,000
Apart from GB News going as high as 1 million
Presume they use the same calculator when trying to estimate their viewing figures

[Fauxstralian]

I take Mr Kirk at his reported comments & beliefs 
Many of which are deeply unpleasant in regards to race, homophobia & women

This Tyler Robinson seems an interesting character with his Mormon Republican gun loving Trump supporting background 
Any more word on his trans roommate Mr Lance Twiggs?
Is Mr the correct designation in right wing circles ?

[F 129 Row66]

If 100s of thousands of people are demonstrating, why are the far left fascist groups like Antifa allowed to have a counter demonstration. they should be politely told to fuck off and then turn water canons and batons on them. They only ever want violent confrontation, are only ever there for a good time, provide no useful service to society, and as far as being anti-racist they  are anti semitic hypocrites. They represent nobody.

[BRANDED]

Unheard gets it more than most

There are two possible scenarios. The first is that these people are not serious, and that this is all the empty performance of callous children. There is much evidence for this hypothesis: the loudest calls for political violence, displayed on social media, come from those who would be more obviously the victims than the perpetrators of the outcome they demand: the physically weak, the mentally fragile, the beneficiaries of a stable society they proclaim the wish to overturn. Just as with the deification of Luigi Mangione, the assassin whose most prominent journalistic groupie is a woman of indeterminate age frightened to go outside without a Covid mask, I have seen calls for political violence coming from a paraplegic woman unlikely herself to be manning checkpoints late at night or digging graves for her vanquished enemies. The bloodcurdling rhetoric of these silly and unworldly people, demanding further assassinations on Bluesky as if ordering food from a delivery app, is discordantly removed from the reality of the political violence that would surely cull them first. The spectacle is so absurd that it seems almost demeaning to take it seriously.

https://unherd.com/2025/09/americas-blo ... fantasies/

 

[Ceasar]

Muhammad was a peodophile

Islam is cancer

Trans is insanity


 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Personally don’t think the right should be :
racist
homophobic 
misogynist 
fascist 
supporters of Nazi ideals 

Mr Kirk appeared to tick off a few of those 
Doesn’t mean he should be killed though
It does appear his murder was because he didn’t tick off ALL of those to the satisfaction of the Mormon gun lover from a family of Trump supporters


 

 

 

He was none of those things. Again you are parroting a desperate left wing narrative as fact, which makes zero sense.

Trying to attribute blame on Nick Fuentes and his followers is just another perfect example of the dangerous rhetoric that is out of control on the left. It doesn’t take two seconds to see which group are celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death and Nick Fuentes isn’t a part of it. 

[BRANDED]

I know a religion that seems to have a lot of support that shows a lot of those traits

"racisthomophobic misogynist fascist supporters of Nazi ideals"

 

These concepts are the luxury of north London accountants not ordinary people.