Steidten Out

[Massive Attack]

I want this costly clueless conniving cսnt gone. We have suffered persistent injuries to expensive key signings this season, as well as others who just don't cut it against Premier League opposition, or have suspect temperaments/injury records previously known and they're all his picks. He clearly doesn't do his due diligence well enough as one of the stories of the season has been us suffering injuries to key new signings..

Fullkrug £27M - Suspect Injury History 

Todibo £34M (if avoid relegation) - Suspect Injury History/Suspect attitude problems at Barcelona 

Mavropanos £19M - Just utter dogshit (and ironically probably now out injured as well due to concussion for 10 days like Fabianski)

Alvarez £35M - Nowhere near good enough for the money we spent on him looking lost and slow as arseholes against Premier League opposition 

Kudus is just about the only costly signing that's come off that's genuine quality, although even he now has suspect temperament issues when getting himself a 5 match ban for fighting an entire Spurs Team in front of everyone. So fuck knows what he's also like behind the scenes..

Just sick of the persistent injuries to key players that has derailed our season and continues to do so on tonights evidence with Fullcrock, as well as all the unsettling bollocks behind the scenes. There's no smoke without fire and I now make that not 1 but 2 Managers in quick succession that allegedly told him to stay away from the Training Ground. It makes me wonder whether he is our Club Mole all along who has persistently leaked things out to the Media from either within the Dressing Room/Snaps with managers behind another managers back that then coincidentally get leaked at just the right time? A manager who was humiliated in the media for taking at least 2 Training sessions and possibly a 3rd on the last day he eventually got sacked and the whole thing was handled terribly which again points to Steidten and his breakdown in his 2nd relationship with a manager. And he's supposed to work with them, not against them!

On the radio yesterday when discussing Steidten someone mentioned how odd they thought it was to see him down by the players tunnel/dressing room area as well as doing interviews with TNT during the Chelsea loss earlier in the season and they thought good Technical Directors aren't seen front and centre as much as this one always appears to be. He's certainly got an impressive holiday snap collection he leaks to the media as soon as he takes them. 

The longer this season has panned out the more and more I've thought something just doesn't sit right at the Club and I genuinely think he has been at the heart of a lot of our issues. I suppose that's why it's now been known his position is under review and they're already on to him, hence why Potter swerved the Steidten question possibly knowing something we don't about him. 

Or does anyone still believe he's the right man to guide our Club making such big decisions within it?

 

[Nutsin]

Personally I’m glad he has gone. The manager should have final say on who his head scout should be and who he brings in to the squad. 

Hopefully a lesson learned.

[Iron Duke]

I’m not sure if Steidten got a fair chance. Sometimes players take a while to settle in.

Regardless of that, the person to blame is the person who hired him and then decided to get rid halfway through a season.

Over the years, we got the head of recruitment from Everton, Rob Newman from Man City, then Steidten. The only thing in common is the person who recruited them.

[goose]

Because not ever issue that happens in a business begins in the accounting department. Steidten was put in place to make sure Kretinski investment into the club didn’t look foolish until he got the Royal Mail deal sealed. And a bit of good PR never harms a foreign investor.

Sorry but that’s complete nonsense. Steidten was interviewed and approved by Sullivan. Sullivan is the majority shareholder and makes the decisions. You think DK arranged for some plant to be parachuted into the club as head of recruitment to protect his investment? If that were true he’s achieved the complete opposite.

How is Sullivan going to make Kretinsky investment look foolish? Aside from relegation, how exactly does the arsehole fall out of the club?

[onsideman]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

I'm calling bullshit on that. Even if the players he eventually got were second or third choices, they were still on his list... that means Mavropanos was on a list. Guilherme was on a list. Alvarez was on a list... and judging by the third goal we conceded at Forest, for example, Todibo is hardly the second coming. 

I do believe he didn't want Lopetegui (I mean who would) but perhaps he should have been a bit more principled instead of hanging around and giving his brother a job

[zebthecat]

That is extremely plausible and pretty depressing.

[RBshorty]

Because not ever issue that happens in a business begins in the accounting department. Steidten was put in place to make sure Kretinski investment into the club didn’t look foolish until he got the Royal Mail deal sealed. And a bit of good PR never harms a foreign investor.

[kylay]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

I would have put money on that being the case which is why everything looks, feels, smells, and sounds the same as it ever has under these owners.

[Sir Alf]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

[goose]

Because if the arsehole fell out within the club. Kretinski would hear and most likely do something about it. Before Sullivan even admit there was a issue. When a company goes tits up. It’s usually the board members are hiding something from the other board members. Which makes them the last to know.

and how would a head of recruitment know that the arsehole is falling out of the club? he's not an accountant.

[threesixty]

Sullivan has to get credit. If he’s not involved he seriously cannot handle it as it confirms his worst fears and sub concsious feelings of insecurity and inadequacy he has had all his life.  In other words, he’s irrelevant and doesnt know what the fvck he’s doing. There’s been so much evidence supporting his failures but like all narcissists his mind refuses to see it.

 

 

I just don't understand why as a business man you would have yourself make footballing decisions when you know you dont know as much about football as your employees?

Business owners that are micro managers generally do it because they used to do the jobs that they employee others to do. So they feel they know how they want things to work. But Sullivan has never been that close to actual "football". He's not a football man at all from what I understand. I think Gold was when he was young but thats about it.

All the money he's made from West Ham has essentially come from him managing to get his hands on a club with a big fan base in the London who are in the PL. He's like the worst type of business owner that gets success in spite of his decisions because the investment was always going to make money. I literally think he has done nothing out of the ordinary that no other owner could not have done for us. He's a waster.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Sullivan has to get credit. If he’s not involved he seriously cannot handle it as it confirms his worst fears and sub concsious feelings of insecurity and inadequacy he has had all his life.  In other words, he’s irrelevant and doesnt know what the fvck he’s doing. There’s been so much evidence supporting his failures but like all narcissists his mind refuses to see it.

Sullivan clearly can't see how much mileage there is in picking the right person for the job, letting them do what they're paid for and then basking in the reflected glory as they repeatedly get it right.

[Sir Alf]

Sullivan has to get credit. If he’s not involved he seriously cannot handle it as it confirms his worst fears and sub concsious feelings of insecurity and inadequacy he has had all his life.  In other words, he’s irrelevant and doesnt know what the fvck he’s doing. There’s been so much evidence supporting his failures but like all narcissists his mind refuses to see it.

[Takashi Miike]

he'll start on the new lad kyran & potter once he isn't getting his own way on transfers, the cսnt can't allow professionals do their jobs

[threesixty]

This all sounds really silly. 
How many dud transfers have West Ham had over the years that DIDNT involve Tim Steidten? Tons. We have Aguerd on our books who you could say is a combination of Mav in terms of mistakes per game and Fullkrug in terms of being out for about a year with injury. No one says much…

max cornet, same. 
Various strikes, the Italian no.9 we lost money on. Haller lost money on. 
the loan for Kevin Phillips, a guy who looked like he hadn’t kicked a ball since he was at school when he came on for us. Nothing much said.. just a bad deal. 

Tim gets in Kudus who’s potentially a 100m player, Todibos who juventus still want badly, Alvarez who I think is Mexican captain and when under Moyes was considered so vital to the team we never lost when he played

Fulkrugg didn’t even have a big injury record for years and was the 1st choice no.9 for Germany in the Euro’s. 

I really don’t see any obvious duds other than Mav and maybe Guilherme but we’ve also had two bad managers. Managers who have been let go. So the idea that it’s the fault of recruitment is bonkers. 

and if the rumours are true he was lining up Duran for 40 odd mill and that got pulled from under him by his boss. Duran is now one of the hottest strikers in the league. 
So how does he not know how to pick good players and more importantly get them to sign??
 
I feel it’s been a massive hit job by Sullivan this. Sullivan hired these crappy managers and Sullivan vetoed the best signing he was going to make. It’s the managers that have made bad performances from the players. 

what a shitty club this is sometimes (or the owner is). It’s morally bankrupt. Even some of the fans are as well. But you can forgive the fans because they just fed the information. They don’t know what’s true. Sad. 
I think Tim’s work at the club has been fine compared to how the club normally works. 

[RBshorty]

Because if the arsehole fell out within the club. Kretinski would hear and most likely do something about it. Before Sullivan even admit there was a issue. When a company goes tits up. It’s usually the board members are hiding something from the other board members. Which makes them the last to know.

[factory seconds]

so we had a manager whose job description included some authority over transfers, then we removed those powers and gave them to a technical director, who is being removed from his position to be replaced by a recruitment analyst.

so who has power over who we sign now, who is building the squad?

(this is a rhetorical question).

[RBshorty]

Prospective targets.! 

The only thing that matters is MATE RATES.!

The plebs can go and eat cake.!

[goose]

hard to know exactly what went on, and whether he was ever properly in charge of recruitment.

lets hope harry potters new dream team can finally sort out our shitty recruitment.

 

I fucking doubt it really. A mere third of the signings were apparently his and who even knows whether they were proper top targets of his or 3rd or 4th alternatives after going through the Sullivan 'filter'. The choice of manager was certainly nothing to do with him as we know. It was fairly pointless him ever being here in the first place. 

He was Kretinski eyes and ears while he got the Royal Mail deal over the line. Just to make sure Sullivan didn’t fuck it up for him. Maybe get thrown the odd bone. Here and there. Now it’s all done and dusted. Take this large cheque. And sign this NDA.

As you were.

Kretinsky appointed his own people to the board. Why would he need a head of recruitment as his eyes and ears?

[kylay]

Whatever the circumstances, surely the time to fire your DOF is not 7 days before the transfer deadline ends when you badly need reinforcements? Frozen out or not, it sends the message to any prospective targets we didn't know what we were doing and are tearing everything up. Why not hold out another week to announce it?

[RBshorty]

Tim knew he was out the door once Kretinski had done his deal. And Fullkurg was a personal FU too our glorious leader.

[Sir Alf]

Agree latgely with your assessment Mad Dog.

Getting the right fit for head coach is critical to getting the right players. Soler was reported as a Lopetegui requested signing from his knowledge of him in Spain, same with Rodruiguez who was at Real Betis and Kilman who was with him at Wolves. Almost certainly would not have got those 3 if Amourim or Hoeness, Steidtens alleged preferences, had arrived instead but Sullivan wanted Lop who was a Salthouse client I believe? 

As a result the one paced midfield issue was not addressed with Soler and Rodriguez but possibly would have been if the head coach appointed was one of Steidtens as they may have been open to other players that had been identified by Steidtens analyst team ( incl his brother).  Steidten has been “scape goated” by Sullivan imo. And really for the fact that Fullkrug got injuries. But he only recommended Fullkrug because Sullivan didnt like the agents and fees for Duran.  Guilherme will cost up to 25 million, no way we have paid that in full and he was one for the future. 

Sullivan never wanted OR WOULD ALLOW a proper autonomous, empowered DOF. He was called Tech Director for that reason and was likely Kretinsky wanting a nore professional approach to recruitment. Sullivan was keen to sabotage Steidtens efforts and used his PR via media mates to “stitch him like a kipper”. The meduacnow putting the whole “failed summer window” at Steidtens feet, no one else.  Steidten like BFS, Bilic, Moyes etc will have signed an NDA so Sullivan’s meddling and need for control etc will remain hidden.  Above is speculation but its what Sullivan does and will always do.  The “Poison Dwarf” who would fit in well at the Kremlin and be admired by Putin. No wonder he wears a russian hat.

We will continue to be on “the road to nowhere “ for another 10-20 years because we all know, like Davros of the Daleks his lookalike, he will be immortal 🥴😱

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Yeah it does make you wonder if it would have sorted itself out if a decent manager was appointed all the way back in the summer.

I'm not sure the 3 major signings he supposedly made would have been any better though.  They were bad signings.

Yeah, but if we had brought in a different manager then he might (and should) have made completely different signings. It would have been his job to bring in players that fit the manager's style, eg Fullkrug would have been a perfect match for Lopetegui's tactics at Sevilla.

[Mad Dog]

Guilerme is certainly an odd one
fullkrug looked decent to me when he's not fucking injured and wasnt the first choice anyway.  That was duran

[Lee Trundle]

Yeah it does make you wonder if it would have sorted itself out if a decent manager was appointed all the way back in the summer.

I'm not sure the 3 major signings he supposedly made would have been any better though.  They were bad signings.

[Mad Dog]

Hasn't worked out.

But how much is sullivan meddling and refusing to pony up for players he wanted (was Duran his pick and wouldn't a couple extra mil have got the deal done?)
How much is managers being stubborn and not using the players or allowing transfers to be made?
how much was bad picks from him?
how much was the fact that west ham is such an absolute cesspool of ineptitude from top to bottom?

way back everyone was saying we'd done great business in the transfer window, champions league finalists, international one and all.  This season has really gone to shit and I lay majority of it at sullivans feet as he wanted that buffoon lopetegi and none of these players have settled as a result. Back room arguments and fisticuffs, awful tactics, team selection, morale can't have helped.

and we'll not know how much is the fault of steidten or anyone.  But the bucket stops with the porn dwarf.