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[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

 

Of course you are impacted by immigration number on a daily basis. Unless you don’t pay tax or use any of the countries infrastructure.

I dont pay any additional tax specifically to cover for undocumented immgrants especially as they cant claim benefits and only the cost of housing them maybe a consideration, as I say it really has no direct impact on me

You’ve just pointed out that it does impact you. 
You absolutely do pay additional tax because of it.

No I dont pay more tax... you clearly dont know unserstand how the tax system works. My same tax will be distributed differently maybe but I wont pay more because of it!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

You could have made your 'point' without reverting to a load of infantile shit. You chose not to.

Well you probably wouldnt have understood that either!

[goose]

Here you go billy:

IntroductionRachel Reeves’s recent audit of public spending identified a range of in-year spending pressures facing the new government. One of the largest pressures was for costs relating to asylum and illegal migration, with an estimated £6.4 billion of pressures on day-to-day spending in 2024–25.

 https://ifs.org.uk/articles/home-office ... overspends

[only1billybonds]

You could have made your 'point' without reverting to a load of infantile shit. You chose not to.

[ironsofcanada]

I dont pay any additional tax specifically to cover for undocumented immgrants especially as they cant claim benefits and only the cost of housing them maybe a consideration, as I say it really has no direct impact on me

 

 

This seems to stem from the incredibly naive view that the use of government money (inaccurate phrase) - every little bit of it - is somehow magically divorced from the economic lives of its citizens. 

[goose]

Critical thinking lol.... my original point was about Nutsacks overdramatising the situation in the UK we are not in a post apocalyptic state. I am not affected on a daily basis by immigration numbers  nor do I thankfully live in Russia, North Korea or the United States of Musk and have enough faith in the UK legal system thanks.

No one is interested in my data. Even if they were most of Apples services are still end to encypted even without ADP. My data and yours held on other clouds are requestable by govt so I see no difference.

 

Of course you are impacted by immigration number on a daily basis. Unless you don’t pay tax or use any of the countries infrastructure.

I dont pay any additional tax specifically to cover for undocumented immgrants especially as they cant claim benefits and only the cost of housing them maybe a consideration, as I say it really has no direct impact on me

You’ve just pointed out that it does impact you. 
You absolutely do pay additional tax because of it.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

 

The second part is an argument you can make. 

The problem is your lack of critical thinking and ignorance, willful or not, of the history of the first part wholly undermines your use of it.


You have a remember, the group in power often gets to decide what is "wrong".  If you happen to agree with the current definition, life is great.  But we know what is "wrong" changes. 

You seem to have strong feelings about Elon Musk and Trump, now imagine them  deciding whether "you, yourself" are doing something wrong.  Do you still want to expand the powers?

And again if don't think governments have not abused an increase of surveillance powers, you are ignorant of the history.

Critical thinking lol.... my original point was about Nutsacks overdramatising the situation in the UK we are not in a post apocalyptic state. I am not affected on a daily basis by immigration numbers  nor do I thankfully live in Russia, North Korea or the United States of Musk and have enough faith in the UK legal system thanks.

No one is interested in my data. Even if they were most of Apples services are still end to encypted even without ADP. My data and yours held on other clouds are requestable by govt so I see no difference.

 

Of course you are impacted by immigration number on a daily basis. Unless you don’t pay tax or use any of the countries infrastructure.

I dont pay any additional tax specifically to cover for undocumented immgrants especially as they cant claim benefits and only the cost of housing them maybe a consideration, as I say it really has no direct impact on me

[BillyJenningsBoots]

BJB.

Despite knowing NOTHING about me or my circumstances, you have claimed that I live the life of a peasant who endures squalor and a life under constant threat from others. 

This is the clearest indication that you are not to be taken seriously. You have made your mind up and because we have opposing views you have invented a load of nonsense. Now get yaself in the bath son, it's back to school in the morning for you.

Oh dear really! do you take everything anyone says literally!   I dont pretend to know anything about you. But as you are clearly not living as I described you are probably pretty much fine too which was the whole point!!!!

[only1billybonds]

BJB.

Despite knowing NOTHING about me or my circumstances, you have claimed that I live the life of a peasant who endures squalor and a life under constant threat from others. 

This is the clearest indication that you are not to be taken seriously. You have made your mind up and because we have opposing views you have invented a load of nonsense. Now get yaself in the bath son, it's back to school in the morning for you.

[goose]

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem.
Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

 

The second part is an argument you can make. 

The problem is your lack of critical thinking and ignorance, willful or not, of the history of the first part wholly undermines your use of it.


You have a remember, the group in power often gets to decide what is "wrong".  If you happen to agree with the current definition, life is great.  But we know what is "wrong" changes. 

You seem to have strong feelings about Elon Musk and Trump, now imagine them  deciding whether "you, yourself" are doing something wrong.  Do you still want to expand the powers?

And again if don't think governments have not abused an increase of surveillance powers, you are ignorant of the history.

Critical thinking lol.... my original point was about Nutsacks overdramatising the situation in the UK we are not in a post apocalyptic state. I am not affected on a daily basis by immigration numbers  nor do I thankfully live in Russia, North Korea or the United States of Musk and have enough faith in the UK legal system thanks.

No one is interested in my data. Even if they were most of Apples services are still end to encypted even without ADP. My data and yours held on other clouds are requestable by govt so I see no difference.

 

 

Of course you are impacted by immigration number on a daily basis. Unless you don’t pay tax or use any of the countries infrastructure.

[ironsofcanada]

Critical thinking lol.... my original point was about Nutsacks overdramatising the situation in the UK we are not in a post apocalyptic state. I am not affected on a daily basis by immigration numbers  nor do I thankfully live in Russia, North Korea or the United States of Musk and have enough faith in the UK legal system thanks.

No one is interested in my data. Even if they were most of Apples services are still end to encypted even without ADP. My data and yours held on other clouds are requestable by govt so I see no difference.

 

 

Yes - critical thinking. The ability to think beyond yourself only in the here and now.  It is paramount in building a society that deals with problems on an ongoing basis.


All your statements are about  being content in your current situation.  And being upset to the point of name-calling with people who question it.


The UK legal system said it was okay to hold a slave for a good period.  Laws change for good and bad. Would you have been such a NIMBY then if you weren't a slave or held a slave? Ie. It's not affecting me so it's fine.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

I'll tell you a threat to national security. Letting in thousands upon thousands of illegal, undocumented immigrants, some of whom hate us and our way of life.

And the statement, "the UK is doing just fine" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted on here in nearly 25 years of being involved with this forum.

Sorry bonzo you not fine then!?

Well some of us are doing great thanks. On the whole Id rather live in the UK than the US. Its all relative, sorry you are living below the bread line in some rat infested council estate overrun by gangs if Eastern Europeans and Palestinian refugees.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem.
Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

 

The second part is an argument you can make. 

The problem is your lack of critical thinking and ignorance, willful or not, of the history of the first part wholly undermines your use of it.


You have a remember, the group in power often gets to decide what is "wrong".  If you happen to agree with the current definition, life is great.  But we know what is "wrong" changes. 

You seem to have strong feelings about Elon Musk and Trump, now imagine them  deciding whether "you, yourself" are doing something wrong.  Do you still want to expand the powers?

And again if don't think governments have not abused an increase of surveillance powers, you are ignorant of the history.

Critical thinking lol.... my original point was about Nutsacks overdramatising the situation in the UK we are not in a post apocalyptic state. I am not affected on a daily basis by immigration numbers  nor do I thankfully live in Russia, North Korea or the United States of Musk and have enough faith in the UK legal system thanks.

No one is interested in my data. Even if they were most of Apples services are still end to encypted even without ADP. My data and yours held on other clouds are requestable by govt so I see no difference.

[only1billybonds]

I'll tell you a threat to national security. Letting in thousands upon thousands of illegal, undocumented immigrants, some of whom hate us and our way of life.

And the statement, "the UK is doing just fine" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted on here in nearly 25 years of being involved with this forum.

[ironsofcanada]

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem.
Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

 

 

The second part is an argument you can make. 

The problem is your lack of critical thinking and ignorance, willful or not, of the history of the first part wholly undermines your use of it.


You have a remember, the group in power often gets to decide what is "wrong".  If you happen to agree with the current definition, life is great.  But we know what is "wrong" changes. 

You seem to have strong feelings about Elon Musk and Trump, now imagine them  deciding whether "you, yourself" are doing something wrong.  Do you still want to expand the powers?

And again if don't think governments have not abused an increase of surveillance powers, you are ignorant of the history.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

And you "yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved" in that the Govt wouldnt have carte blanche to see everyones data it would still require a warrant. 

The problem with the ADP tool is that it stops Apple and therefore anyone getting visibility of your data.

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem. Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

Fuck me Billy, could you possibly be any more retarded?

Well you seem to get by on a 2 digit IQ so yes I could be.

But I assume you think national security isnt a problem under the Musk government. Im sure his crack team of nerds that already have all of your personal details and tax data wont be misusing it. Remind me again what security clearance he had to authorise him to get access to all your data. 

Anyway I'm not planning anything illegal so what do I have to worry about. You seem to forget the US requesting Apple provide a backdoor to locked phones ''- but that doesnt fit your warped agenda either does it.

[Nutsin]

 

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

And you "yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved" in that the Govt wouldnt have carte blanche to see everyones data it would still require a warrant. 

The problem with the ADP tool is that it stops Apple and therefore anyone getting visibility of your data.

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem. Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

Fuck me Billy, could you possibly be any more retarded?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

The UK is just fine thanks. Anyway I thought the whole point of President Musks DOUCHE team was transparency? The backdoor to Apple's data is to ensure any threats to national  security are not hidden in the encrypted data its not to do with gaining access to the photos of our lunch! 
Moron!

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

 

And you "yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved" in that the Govt wouldnt have carte blanche to see everyones data it would still require a warrant. 

The problem with the ADP tool is that it stops Apple and therefore anyone getting visibility of your data.

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem. Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

[ironsofcanada]

The UK is just fine thanks. Anyway I thought the whole point of President Musks DOUCHE team was transparency? The backdoor to Apple's data is to ensure any threats to national  security are not hidden in the encrypted data its not to do with gaining access to the photos of our lunch! 
Moron!

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Jaan,
Lets hope so.

I see Apple has ended its end to end encryption service after pressure from the UK Gov’t. So this only applies to the U K.

This allows a back door for the Gov’t to gain access to everyone’s phone.

All the data, Pics, everything!

Sounds like a big Nazi move to me. You better hope Trump puts Starmer in his place this upcoming week. 

What the fuck is going on over there? 


 

You focus on your own shit storm. Our PM might be useless but he doesnt pose a threat to Worldwide security or trade.

The UK is just fine thanks. Anyway I thought the whole point of President Musks DOUCHE team was transparency? The backdoor to Apple's data is to ensure any threats to national  security are not hidden in the encrypted data its not to do with gaining access to the photos of our lunch! But you carry on over dramatising everything to fit your pathetic anti-UK agenda.

Moron!

[BRANDED]

Jaan,
Lets hope so.

I see Apple has ended its end to end encryption service after pressure from the UK Gov’t. So this only applies to the U K.

This allows a back door for the Gov’t to gain access to everyone’s phone.

All the data, Pics, everything!

Sounds like a big Nazi move to me. You better hope Trump puts Starmer in his place this upcoming week. 

What the fuck is going on over there? 


 

Generally we dont have anything to hide from government. However, if a dodgy Commie government got in who jail people for posting memes, think men can be women or tax the cսnt out of you might want to move out of the UK. 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

THE  LABOUR PARTY DIED WITH JOHN SMITH

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

GERMANS   are now as bad as the SWEDES...
Germans are fucked with history ...they'll never be rid of it .
Swedes have always been mugs and ripe for the taking
 both are paying the price now
We're not far behind .

France?....fuck those cunts

​​​​
 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

That GOVE wrongen sums up the state of our once great country.
A slippery shit who has no morals or loyalty...

And they are supposed to be on our side.

No no no...TRAITORS

Fuck off and die a slow death you cunts

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I've noticed our  prestigeous BBC are  refusing to bring themselves to say PRESIDENT TRUMP...
small details matter

President  full mast/O'Bummer  and the stooge  never got this level of scrutiny or abuse.

It should be ENLIGHTENMENT for   the SHEEP...
.and says EVERYTHING